https://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Consumerium:Proposed_deletions&feed=atom&action=historyConsumerium:Proposed deletions - Revision history2024-03-29T11:12:31ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.6https://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Consumerium:Proposed_deletions&diff=16099&oldid=prevJukeboksi: arrange, separate proposed, executed and not executed deletions2004-09-30T15:38:39Z<p>arrange, separate proposed, executed and not executed deletions</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">troll droppings</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">- redirect used exactly once seemingly only to degrade [[troll text]]; unwisely applying an overly organic [[conceptual metaphor]]; one ought not to confuse mythological creatures that have [[no body]] with real living creatures that do</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and which leave droppings; presumably it is only one's [[some body|non-troll body]] that can leave any fertilizer around</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Alleged Wikimedia corruption</ins>]], <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">recommandation.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*[[Craig Hubley]] - article was deemed too inaccurate for [[Wikipedia]] and is probably not relevant to [[wiki mission]]; also there is apparently some kind of policy against pages "about [[person X]]" though some have advocated that there be exceptions for people relevant to specific [[worst cases]] and [[threats]]. Unless this person represents such a worst case or threat, which would have to be proven by documenting a case study or [[design fiction]] that made some reference to him, that was more credible with him in the story than with anyone else, his name is irrelevant to the wiki and should be </del>deleted<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. If important it can re-emerge in the [[Research Wiki]].</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==Not </ins>deleted<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">===September 8===</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[article hub]] - meaningless name: everything is an article and any article can be a hub to reach others; move the content to various other articles on the specific topics, as part of streamlining of [[Consumerium Process]] pages, and attempt to outline what a [[Consumerium Research pilot]] and working [[Research Wiki]] would look like</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[article hub]] - meaningless name: everything is an article and any article can be a hub to reach others; move the content to various other articles on the specific topics, as part of streamlining of [[Consumerium Process]] pages, and attempt to outline what a [[Consumerium Research pilot]] and working [[Research Wiki]] would look like</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::Counter: Untill someone comes up with a more rational structure for navigating these deep swamps of this development wiki this will stay as it offers quick jump points to some of the most essential articles to understand what consumerium is about. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 18:38, 30 Sep 2004 (EEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*[[Ending Wikimedia]] - not a [[Consumerium]] related matter. We aren't in the business of scrutinizing [[non-profit]] organisations. We are leaving it up to each [[consumer]] to decide what organisations to trust and what not. See [[Preferences]] on this --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 14:23, 8 Sep 2004 (EEST)</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==Executed deletions==</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::Counter-argument: unless we </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">end Wikimedia</del>]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, it will remain </del>a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">platform for various attacks on [[Consumerium]]</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> The people who *promote* corporate power at [[Wikipedia]] are exactly the people who will become [[funded troll]]s </del>that <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">will fill [[Research Wiki]] with pro-corporate propaganda or censor the truth about corporate activities. Wikimedia is like the Al Qaeda of journalism: it trains people to engage in mindless attacks with no potential for any dialogue.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''See </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Consumerium:Deletion log</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">for </ins>a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">full listing of deletions (incl</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">those </ins>that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">were deleted unilaterally without going through this page)'''</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Suing for funding</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">- this </del>is <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">total bullshit </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is degrading </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">think </del>that anyone <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">serious about our goals would suggest such. anyways, these types of thing are not for the anonymous contributors who revel in being </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">trolls</del>]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">===September 8===</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Gus Kouwenhoven]], '''unaccountably deleted''', apparently a personal friend of someone who thinks [[sysop vandalism</ins>]] is <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">appropriate </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">warranted </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">protect the reputation of this most excellent person Mr Kouwenhoven who has so many rights </ins>that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">he can pretty much wipe out a whole continent before </ins>anyone <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">at </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Consumerium</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">would ever notice</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Your reasoning is flawed</del>: <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> MANY nonprofits </del>are <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">funded from the proceeds </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">lawsuits against unethical journalists</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> MANY</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> Hugh Grant and Liz Hurley are only one good example</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</ins>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Deleted per standard [[rules]] that are in place to help us focus on developing some kind of information gathering and publishing system without getting dragged in accountability issues '''here and now''' so we can focus on how we deal with these when they arise in the production stage. --[[User</ins>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Juxo|Juxo]] 16</ins>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">30, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*[[Fox News point of view]], '''unaccountably deleted''', apparently by someone who thinks that it isn't important or biasing that [[Wikimedia]] and Bomis </ins>are <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">often accused </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">this view, e</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">g</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">by [[English Wikipedia User Richardchilton]], or that it's a major focus of debate about media in the USA</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:Many may be but on the other hand you can quote the Grant&Hurley case </del>as an <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">example of this because </del>it <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">was them who </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">donation</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">donated</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the money to the </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">non</del>-<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">profit</del>]] not that <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the non-profit </del>would have <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sued someone</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Keep your facts and your fiction apart -</del>-[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">User:Juxo|Juxo</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">16:30, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST) </del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Same </ins>as <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">above. See [[Rules]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*[[troll droppings]] - redirect used exactly once seemingly only to degrade [[troll text]]; unwisely applying </ins>an <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">overly organic [[conceptual metaphor]]; one ought not to confuse mythological creatures that have [[no body]] with real living creatures that do, and which leave droppings; presumably </ins>it <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is only one's </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">some body</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">non-troll body</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">that can leave any fertilizer around</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*</ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Craig Hubley]] </ins>- <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">article was deemed too inaccurate for [[Wikipedia</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and is probably </ins>not <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">relevant to [[wiki mission]]; also there is apparently some kind of policy against pages "about [[person X]]" though some have advocated </ins>that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">there be exceptions for people relevant to specific [[worst cases]] and [[threats]]. Unless this person represents such a worst case or threat, which </ins>would have <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to be proven by documenting a case study or [[design fiction]] that made some reference to him, that was more credible with him in the story than with anyone else, his name is irrelevant to the wiki and should be deleted</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> If important it can re</ins>-<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">emerge in the </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Research Wiki</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">If this goes, remove </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">talk</del>:Craig Hubley]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">too </del>as the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">only reason </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">keep it around is </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sue for funding</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Talk</ins>:Craig Hubley]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">might stand however </ins>as <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">it has some useful accusations and comment in it. If we consider [[suing for funding]] to be useful that is.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">----</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*[[Ending Wikimedia]] - not a [[Consumerium]] related matter. We aren't in </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">business of scrutinizing [[non-profit]] organisations. We are leaving it up </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">each [[consumer]] to decide what organisations </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">trust and what not</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">See [[Preferences]] on this --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 14:23, 8 Sep 2004 (EEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">LOL. if Mr. Hubley ventures forth such an evil plan and succeeds</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">he too </del>will <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">be </del>a funded troll<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. MUAHAHAHAAH </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">User</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">69</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">195</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">36</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">213</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">69.195.36.213</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">04</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">55</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">9 </del>Sep 2004 (EEST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Counter-argument</ins>: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> unless we [[end Wikimedia]]</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">it </ins>will <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">remain </ins>a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">platform for various attacks on [[Consumerium]]. The people who *promote* corporate power at [[Wikipedia]] are exactly the people who will become [[</ins>funded troll<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]s that will fill </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Research Wiki]] with pro-corporate propaganda or censor the truth about corporate activities. Wikimedia is like the Al Qaeda of journalism</ins>: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> it trains people to engage in mindless attacks with no potential for any dialogue</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">----</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*[[Suing for funding]] - this is total bullshit and is degrading to think that anyone serious about our goals would suggest such</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">anyways, these types of thing are not for the anonymous contributors who revel in being [[trolls]]</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--[[User:Juxo</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Juxo</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">18</ins>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">38</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">30 </ins>Sep 2004 (EEST)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*[[Gus Kouwenhoven]], '''unaccountably deleted''', apparently a personal friend of someone who thinks [[sysop vandalism]] </del>is <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">appropriate and warranted to protect </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">reputation </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">this most excellent person Mr Kouwenhoven who has so many rights that he can pretty much wipe out a whole continent before anyone at [[Consumerium]] would ever notice</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::Your reasoning </ins>is <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">flawed: MANY nonprofits are funded from </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">proceeds </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">lawsuits against unethical journalists. MANY. Hugh Grant and Liz Hurley are only one good example.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Deleted per standard </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">rules</del>]] that <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">are in place to help us focus on developing some kind of information gathering and publishing system without getting dragged in accountability issues '''here and now''' so we can focus on how we deal with these when they arise in </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">production stage</del>. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 16:30, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::Many may be but on the other hand you can quote the Grant&Hurley case as an example of this because it was them who [[donation|donated]] the money to the </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">non-profit</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">not </ins>that the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">non-profit would have sued someone</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Keep your facts and your fiction apart </ins>--[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 16:30, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*[[Fox News point of view]], '''unaccountably deleted''', apparently by someone who thinks that it isn't important or biasing that [[Wikimedia]] and Bomis are often accused of this view, e.g. by [[English Wikipedia User Richardchilton]], or that it's a major focus of debate about media in the USA.</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*</del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Alleged Wikimedia corruption</del>]], <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">recommandation.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::This was just a stupid article that is in no way in accordance with </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Consumerium:We|Our</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Consumerium:Philosophy|Philosophy]] but rather quite the opposite --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 18:38</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">30 Sep 2004 (EEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Your reasoning is flawed: MANY nonprofits are funded from the proceeds of lawsuits against unethical journalists. MANY. Hugh Grant and Liz Hurley are only one good example.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Your reasoning is flawed: MANY nonprofits are funded from the proceeds of lawsuits against unethical journalists. MANY. Hugh Grant and Liz Hurley are only one good example.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">If </del>this <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">goes, kill </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">talk:Craig Hubley</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">too as </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">only reason </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">keep it around is to sue for funding</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:Many may be but on the other hand you can quote the Grant&Hurley case as an example of </ins>this <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">because it was them who </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">donation|donated</ins>]] the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">money </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the [[non-profit]] not that the non-profit would have sued someone</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Keep your facts and your fiction apart --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 16:30, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST) </ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Jukeboksihttps://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Consumerium:Proposed_deletions&diff=5132&oldid=prev69.195.36.213 at 01:55, 9 September 20042004-09-09T01:55:23Z<p></p>
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</table>Cleanerhttps://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Consumerium:Proposed_deletions&diff=5124&oldid=prev142.177.112.102: noting unaccounted deletions out of process for no reason other than fear and willingness to kowtow to scum2004-09-08T18:03:50Z<p>noting unaccounted deletions out of process for no reason other than fear and willingness to kowtow to scum</p>
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</table>142.177.112.102https://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Consumerium:Proposed_deletions&diff=5121&oldid=prev142.177.112.102: suing for funding is a viable approach if one can count on a regular stream of offenses (e.g. by Wikimedia), and ending Wikimedia may be necessary to end their attacks and training of attacker2004-09-08T16:07:46Z<p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Suing_for_funding&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Suing for funding (page does not exist)">suing for funding</a> is a viable approach if one can count on a regular stream of offenses (e.g. by Wikimedia), and <a href="/wiki/Ending_Wikimedia" title="Ending Wikimedia">ending Wikimedia</a> may be necessary to end their attacks and training of attacker</p>
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</table>142.177.112.102https://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Consumerium:Proposed_deletions&diff=5120&oldid=prevJukeboksi: +suing for funding2004-09-08T11:45:18Z<p>+<a href="/w/index.php?title=Suing_for_funding&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Suing for funding (page does not exist)">suing for funding</a></p>
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</table>Jukeboksihttps://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Consumerium:Proposed_deletions&diff=5117&oldid=prevJukeboksi: forgot to sign2004-09-08T11:23:50Z<p>forgot to sign</p>
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</table>Jukeboksihttps://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Consumerium:Proposed_deletions&diff=5113&oldid=prevJukeboksi: *Ending Wikimedia 2004-09-08T11:22:56Z<p>*<a href="/wiki/Ending_Wikimedia" title="Ending Wikimedia">Ending Wikimedia</a> </p>
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</table>Jukeboksihttps://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Consumerium:Proposed_deletions&diff=5111&oldid=prev142.177.72.107: three proposals, let 'em stand for a week2004-09-08T05:54:49Z<p>three proposals, let 'em stand for a week</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>Place '''proposed deletions''' on this page with a rationale. They will stand for at least a week before any action is taken. Elaborate arguments under each page name in point form; Try to stick to [[TIPAESA]] form or a subset of it.<br />
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Proposals for deletion made September 8, for action September 15:<br />
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*[[troll droppings]] - redirect used exactly once seemingly only to degrade [[troll text]]; unwisely applying an overly organic [[conceptual metaphor]]; one ought not to confuse mythological creatures that have [[no body]] with real living creatures that do, and which leave droppings; presumably it is only one's [[some body|non-troll body]] that can leave any fertilizer around<br />
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*[[Craig Hubley]] - article was deemed too inaccurate for [[Wikipedia]] and is probably not relevant to [[wiki mission]]; also there is apparently some kind of policy against pages "about [[person X]]" though some have advocated that there be exceptions for people relevant to specific [[worst cases]] and [[threats]]. Unless this person represents such a worst case or threat, which would have to be proven by documenting a case study or [[design fiction]] that made some reference to him, that was more credible with him in the story than with anyone else, his name is irrelevant to the wiki and should be deleted. If important it can re-emerge in the [[Research Wiki]].<br />
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::[[Talk:Craig Hubley]] might stand however as it has some useful accusations and comment in it. If we consider [[suing for funding]] to be useful that is.<br />
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