Worst cases - Revision history

Support a unified GFDL Corpus at 21:12, 14 August 2004

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	:Institutional vs. Grassroots influence seems to be a battle going on right at this moment and I can't really see any reason to expect much change to that in the future. Mellow down [[troll] [[User:Juxo\|Juxo]]		:Institutional vs. Grassroots influence seems to be a battle going on right at this moment and I can't really see any reason to expect much change to that in the future. Mellow down [[troll] [[User:Juxo\|Juxo]]

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			'''Do any of the above seem unrealistic or impossible? Do you feel like deleting or toning it down? Don't, because someone believes in it. If you the author of it no longer believe in it, move it to [[threats]]. If you believe it is possible or likely, but actually a GOOD outcome, e.g. some people feel this way about [[human extinction]], add a parallel case to [[best cases]] emphasizing these aspects, and feel free to add some mention of those issues here, but with "how they went wrong" (keep best and worst separate even if they are exactly the same case - remember that these labels may well be [[factionally defined]] but we need to agree on at least a few basic ones to decide what to avoid). '''

Jukeboksi: anwsers to our paranioded out troll leader

2003-11-08T20:01:19Z

anwsers to our paranioded out troll leader

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	[[Consumerium Governance Organization]] never gets created, and the [[Consumerium board]] lets [[Consumerium governance]] get so slack that some of the issues above are not promptly dealt with. The system loses some integrity. Board members resign in disgust. They are replaced with people of lower quality. These try to control everything (as lower quality people do) and so a [[CGO]] gets formed as a rebel organization, and everything built so far has to be attacked by it and destroyed, in order to create space for the high-integrity thing we wanted in the first place. A good many years are lost. In that time, [[Great Ape]]s go extinct in the wild, [[rainforest]]s are destroyed, and [[GMO]] [[KitKat McFlurry]] becomes the most popular snack food.		[[Consumerium Governance Organization]] never gets created, and the [[Consumerium board]] lets [[Consumerium governance]] get so slack that some of the issues above are not promptly dealt with. The system loses some integrity. Board members resign in disgust. They are replaced with people of lower quality. These try to control everything (as lower quality people do) and so a [[CGO]] gets formed as a rebel organization, and everything built so far has to be attacked by it and destroyed, in order to create space for the high-integrity thing we wanted in the first place. A good many years are lost. In that time, [[Great Ape]]s go extinct in the wild, [[rainforest]]s are destroyed, and [[GMO]] [[KitKat McFlurry]] becomes the most popular snack food.

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			By default we adopt [[GPL]] or [[LGPL]] just to extend [[APC Action Apps]] or work more closely with [[TikiWiki]] or [[MediaWiki]] or [[MoinMoinWiki]] folks. No [[Consumerium Software License]] or [[Green Documentation License]] ever gets developed that could require a focus strictly on [[green purposes]].

	~~By default we adopt [[GPL]] or [[LGPL]] just to extend [[APC Action Apps]] or work~~ more ~~closely with [[TikiWiki]] or [[MediaWiki]] or [[MoinMoinWiki]] folks~~. ~~No [[Consumerium Software License]] or [[Green Documentation License]] ever gets developed that could require~~ a ~~focus strictly on~~ [[~~green purposes~~]].		:Content license is more crucial. It's a furious balancing act between becoming stale and winding up in a court room. [[User:Juxo\|Juxo]]

	Unfortunately, using such overly-open licenses lets [[nonprofit]] [[arms industry lobby group]]s and a [[Global Warming promotion society]], using billions of dollars in corporate funding, build the [[hardware requirements]] first and give away the hardware. We can't stop them - we've given our work away, and the license says they can use it any way they want, and modify any of the [[accounting standards]] or the [[score]] system, with no [[accountability]].		Unfortunately, using such overly-open licenses lets [[nonprofit]] [[arms industry lobby group]]s and a [[Global Warming promotion society]], using billions of dollars in corporate funding, build the [[hardware requirements]] first and give away the hardware. We can't stop them - we've given our work away, and the license says they can use it any way they want, and modify any of the [[accounting standards]] or the [[score]] system, with no [[accountability]].

			:Rotten [[fork]] has always been a threat scenario. Believe me that I've spent time thinking about countering it and the best I've come up with is to be just as open about the [[goals]] as I can to minimize the risk of hostile people and organisations from attacking the project with charges of [[secret goals]]. Also it's up to the people which fork they choose to use and support. If the "cuecat"-type-of-folks get down to implementation level before us, then we just have to refocus to provide high level web-based services and forget about [[online]] [[shelf front]] presence. [[User:Juxo\|Juxo]]

	Of course, their version of [[Consumerium]] does not rely on any trustworthy [[styles of capital]] analysis, but instead, deliberately leaves ambiguous the most important facts about [[deforestation]] and [[arms trade]]. As a result, conflict in the world ''increases'' as a ''direct result'' of them now having our wonderful work to build propaganda fronts with. They can claim approval of all kinds of great looking front groups and show projects they have done, that a serious analysis show is just cosmetic.		Of course, their version of [[Consumerium]] does not rely on any trustworthy [[styles of capital]] analysis, but instead, deliberately leaves ambiguous the most important facts about [[deforestation]] and [[arms trade]]. As a result, conflict in the world ''increases'' as a ''direct result'' of them now having our wonderful work to build propaganda fronts with. They can claim approval of all kinds of great looking front groups and show projects they have done, that a serious analysis show is just cosmetic.

	We are forced to take up arms, ourselves, just to stop them... Ironically, by refusing to discriminate against them or their customers, we have ''become'' their customers... They are of course wildly happy with this result.		We are forced to take up arms, ourselves, just to stop them... Ironically, by refusing to discriminate against them or their customers, we have ''become'' their customers... They are of course wildly happy with this result.

			:Institutional vs. Grassroots influence seems to be a battle going on right at this moment and I can't really see any reason to expect much change to that in the future. Mellow down [[troll] [[User:Juxo\|Juxo]]

142.177.12.92 at 19:23, 7 November 2003

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	Of course, their version of [[Consumerium]] does not rely on any trustworthy [[styles of capital]] analysis, but instead, deliberately leaves ambiguous the most important facts about [[deforestation]] and [[arms trade]]. As a result, conflict in the world ''increases'' as a ''direct result'' of them now having our wonderful work to build propaganda fronts with. They can claim approval of all kinds of great looking front groups and show projects they have done, that a serious analysis show is just cosmetic.		Of course, their version of [[Consumerium]] does not rely on any trustworthy [[styles of capital]] analysis, but instead, deliberately leaves ambiguous the most important facts about [[deforestation]] and [[arms trade]]. As a result, conflict in the world ''increases'' as a ''direct result'' of them now having our wonderful work to build propaganda fronts with. They can claim approval of all kinds of great looking front groups and show projects they have done, that a serious analysis show is just cosmetic.

	We are forced to take up arms, ourselves, just to stop them...		We are forced to take up arms, ourselves, just to stop them... Ironically, by refusing to discriminate against them or their customers, we have ''become'' their customers... They are of course wildly happy with this result.

142.177.12.92 at 19:21, 7 November 2003

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	[[Consumerium Governance Organization]] never gets created, and the [[Consumerium board]] lets [[Consumerium governance]] get so slack that some of the issues above are not promptly dealt with. The system loses some integrity. Board members resign in disgust. They are replaced with people of lower quality. These try to control everything (as lower quality people do) and so a [[CGO]] gets formed as a rebel organization, and everything built so far has to be attacked by it and destroyed, in order to create space for the high-integrity thing we wanted in the first place. A good many years are lost. In that time, [[Great Ape]]s go extinct in the wild, [[rainforest]]s are destroyed, and [[GMO]] [[KitKat McFlurry]] becomes the most popular snack food.		[[Consumerium Governance Organization]] never gets created, and the [[Consumerium board]] lets [[Consumerium governance]] get so slack that some of the issues above are not promptly dealt with. The system loses some integrity. Board members resign in disgust. They are replaced with people of lower quality. These try to control everything (as lower quality people do) and so a [[CGO]] gets formed as a rebel organization, and everything built so far has to be attacked by it and destroyed, in order to create space for the high-integrity thing we wanted in the first place. A good many years are lost. In that time, [[Great Ape]]s go extinct in the wild, [[rainforest]]s are destroyed, and [[GMO]] [[KitKat McFlurry]] becomes the most popular snack food.

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			By default we adopt [[GPL]] or [[LGPL]] just to extend [[APC Action Apps]] or work more closely with [[TikiWiki]] or [[MediaWiki]] or [[MoinMoinWiki]] folks. No [[Consumerium Software License]] or [[Green Documentation License]] ever gets developed that could require a focus strictly on [[green purposes]].

			Unfortunately, using such overly-open licenses lets [[nonprofit]] [[arms industry lobby group]]s and a [[Global Warming promotion society]], using billions of dollars in corporate funding, build the [[hardware requirements]] first and give away the hardware. We can't stop them - we've given our work away, and the license says they can use it any way they want, and modify any of the [[accounting standards]] or the [[score]] system, with no [[accountability]].

			Of course, their version of [[Consumerium]] does not rely on any trustworthy [[styles of capital]] analysis, but instead, deliberately leaves ambiguous the most important facts about [[deforestation]] and [[arms trade]]. As a result, conflict in the world ''increases'' as a ''direct result'' of them now having our wonderful work to build propaganda fronts with. They can claim approval of all kinds of great looking front groups and show projects they have done, that a serious analysis show is just cosmetic.

			We are forced to take up arms, ourselves, just to stop them...

142.177.10.33 at 03:04, 27 October 2003

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	[[Gus Kouwenhoven]] is involved in something, and we fail to [[boycott]] it. Somewhere, someone, who trusts [[Consumerium]], goes to [[swipe the barcode]] and it comes up only yellow or green. Considering that all that Gus does in his life is pay hunters to shoot [[Great Apes]] to feed loggers to cut down [[rainforest]] to get money to buy [[small arms]] to swap to armed thugs for [[blood diamond]]s, which they then use to take over governments in Africa to provide more safe havens for Gus to do the same, this is really a worst case.		[[Gus Kouwenhoven]] is involved in something, and we fail to [[boycott]] it. Somewhere, someone, who trusts [[Consumerium]], goes to [[swipe the barcode]] and it comes up only yellow or green. Considering that all that Gus does in his life is pay hunters to shoot [[Great Apes]] to feed loggers to cut down [[rainforest]] to get money to buy [[small arms]] to swap to armed thugs for [[blood diamond]]s, which they then use to take over governments in Africa to provide more safe havens for Gus to do more of the same, this is really a worst case. A system that can't catch Gus at even one of these things is worthless, actually dangerous, because people will trust it, and it makes it easier for him to continue.

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142.177.10.33 at 03:01, 27 October 2003

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			[[Gus Kouwenhoven]] is involved in something, and we fail to [[boycott]] it. Somewhere, someone, who trusts [[Consumerium]], goes to [[swipe the barcode]] and it comes up only yellow or green. Considering that all that Gus does in his life is pay hunters to shoot [[Great Apes]] to feed loggers to cut down [[rainforest]] to get money to buy [[small arms]] to swap to armed thugs for [[blood diamond]]s, which they then use to take over governments in Africa to provide more safe havens for Gus to do the same, this is really a worst case.

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	[[Hot potato]] lawsuits become a lawyer team sport as we get mroe influential on buying decisions.		[[Hot potato]] lawsuits become a lawyer team sport as we get mroe influential on buying decisions.

142.177.10.33: hot potato etc

2003-10-27T02:55:43Z

hot potato etc

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	Rather than edit a case, it's better to write a new one that is more general or more specific. Make the cases very specific or very general, but stick to things you think really can happen. If you think they can't happen, they are [[threats]], and document them anyway, since ''someone'' thinks they can happen.		Rather than edit a case, it's better to write a new one that is more general or more specific. Make the cases very specific or very general, but stick to things you think really can happen. If you think they can't happen, they are [[threats]], and document them anyway, since ''someone'' thinks they can happen.
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	[[Consumerium]]'s [[security]] plan or implementation of it is so bad that consumerium gets severely cracked and nobody no longer knows what's real and what's fake.		[[Consumerium]]'s [[security]] plan or implementation of it is so bad that consumerium gets severely cracked and nobody no longer knows what's real and what's fake. This leads to some [[hot potato]] issues or lawsuits.

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	If we chooose to use [[Consumerium Software License]] two things could result:		If we chooose to use [[Consumerium Software License]] two things could result:
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			[[Hot potato]] lawsuits become a lawyer team sport as we get mroe influential on buying decisions.

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			[[Consumerium Governance Organization]] never gets created, and the [[Consumerium board]] lets [[Consumerium governance]] get so slack that some of the issues above are not promptly dealt with. The system loses some integrity. Board members resign in disgust. They are replaced with people of lower quality. These try to control everything (as lower quality people do) and so a [[CGO]] gets formed as a rebel organization, and everything built so far has to be attacked by it and destroyed, in order to create space for the high-integrity thing we wanted in the first place. A good many years are lost. In that time, [[Great Ape]]s go extinct in the wild, [[rainforest]]s are destroyed, and [[GMO]] [[KitKat McFlurry]] becomes the most popular snack food.

Jukeboksi: crackers

2003-07-13T05:36:18Z

crackers

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	'''Worst cases''' are bad things that happen if we design or run this wrong. Success avoiding worst cases then leads us to [[best cases]].		'''Worst cases''' are bad things that happen if we design or run this wrong. Success avoiding worst cases then leads us to [[best cases]].

	We pick [[licenses]] and [[hardware]] and [[design]] and [[content]] in order to minimize the risk of these things happening. Therefore we must exhaustively list them before we make binding choices. The [[Consumerium Governance Organisation]] will have to devote a lot of time to expanding this list.		We pick [[licenses]] and [[hardware]] and [[design]] and [[content]] in order to minimize the risk of these things happening. Therefore we must exhaustively list them before we make binding choices. The [[Consumerium Governance Organisation]] will have to devote a lot of time to expanding this list.

	Rather than edit a case, it's better to write a new one that is more general or more specific. Make the cases very specific or very general, but stick to things you think really can happen. If you think they can't happen, they are [[threats]], and document them anyway, since ''someone'' thinks they can happen.		Rather than edit a case, it's better to write a new one that is more general or more specific. Make the cases very specific or very general, but stick to things you think really can happen. If you think they can't happen, they are [[threats]], and document them anyway, since ''someone'' thinks they can happen.
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			[[Consumerium]]'s [[security]] plan or implementation of it is so bad that consumerium gets severely cracked and nobody no longer knows what's real and what's fake.
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	If we chooose to use [[Consumerium Software License]] two things could result:		If we chooose to use [[Consumerium Software License]] two things could result:

66.163.19.92: link

2003-07-02T03:55:35Z

link

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	[[Company X]] and other enemies create their own modified schema, AND modified software. The modified software works with and even EXPECTS the altered grammar, and now you have a fork. Each promoter of a new fork gets "friendly" content poured into the altered grammar that we can't get first, and (depending on content license and source) can't even copy or validate. The "new improved" [[Corporate Consumerium]] takes over with careful marketing of itself to retails. These professionally-marketed alternative software turns the same green or red light, but, with different criteria. The idea that "you own the hardware you decide what software will run on it, not the customer" is heavily promoted to the [[point of sale]] venue owner (retailer). Advertising benefits are tossed in. Since it serves the interests of retailers, and maybe pays them, it will be preferentially installed to use the [[hardware requirements\|standard hardware]] deployed to those retailers by Consumerium. We get crowded out, like Linux has been crowded out, and are used only in a few backwater places that the mainstream marketers ignore. Consumerium has maybe 2% of a market in [[moral purchasing]], and does all the hard work, but is not the source of innovation.		[[Company X]] and other enemies create their own modified schema, AND modified software. The modified software works with and even EXPECTS the altered grammar, and now you have a fork. Each promoter of a new fork gets "friendly" content poured into the altered grammar that we can't get first, and (depending on content license and source) can't even copy or validate. The "new improved" [[Corporate Consumerium]] takes over with careful marketing of itself to retails. These professionally-marketed alternative software turns the same [[green light]] or [[red light]], but, with different criteria. The idea that "you own the hardware you decide what software will run on it, not the customer" is heavily promoted to the [[point of sale]] venue owner (retailer). Advertising benefits are tossed in. Since it serves the interests of retailers, and maybe pays them, it will be preferentially installed to use the [[hardware requirements\|standard hardware]] deployed to those retailers by Consumerium. We get crowded out, like Linux has been crowded out, and are used only in a few backwater places that the mainstream marketers ignore. Consumerium has maybe 2% of a market in [[moral purchasing]], and does all the hard work, but is not the source of innovation.

	:Actually: There no hope of them ever giving consumerium any credit as a source of Intellectual Property (read: The Concept), so it won't be a [[fork]] in the sense that they would have to say it's based on [[GFDL]]'d material from http://consumerium.org . It'll just be a big money, fancy "service" that's not "not invented here". Big companies hate "not invented here" things.		:Actually: There no hope of them ever giving consumerium any credit as a source of Intellectual Property (read: The Concept), so it won't be a [[fork]] in the sense that they would have to say it's based on [[GFDL]]'d material from http://consumerium.org . It'll just be a big money, fancy "service" that's not "not invented here". Big companies hate "not invented here" things.

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66.163.19.92: balance

2003-06-30T01:26:12Z

balance

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	'''Worst cases''' are bad things that happen if we design or run this wrong.		'''Worst cases''' are bad things that happen if we design or run this wrong. Success avoiding worst cases then leads us to [[best cases]].
	We pick [[licenses]] and [[hardware]] and [[design]] and [[content]] in order to minimize the risk of these things happening. Therefore we must exhaustively list them before we make binding choices. The [[Consumerium Governance Organisation]] will have to devote a lot of time to expanding this list.		We pick [[licenses]] and [[hardware]] and [[design]] and [[content]] in order to minimize the risk of these things happening. Therefore we must exhaustively list them before we make binding choices. The [[Consumerium Governance Organisation]] will have to devote a lot of time to expanding this list.