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Jukeboksi: rm vandalism

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	~~[http://www.8cx.net 彩信]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/book/ 书库]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/ds/ 网络电视]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/ttdl/ 代理服务器]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/pic/ 桌面壁纸]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/sh/ 生活百科]~~

	~~[http://www.8cx.net/jZ .]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/jy.htm 交友]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/game.htm 游戏]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/dy/ 电影]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/bt/ bt]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/flash/ flash]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/joke/ 笑话]~~

	~~[http://www.8cx.net/soft/ 软件]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/qq/ qq]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/game/ 外挂]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/link/ 自助链接]~~
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60.55.58.64 at 06:11, 27 December 2004

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		[http://www.8cx.net 彩信]
		[http://www.8cx.net/book/ 书库]
		[http://www.8cx.net/ds/ 网络电视]
		[http://www.8cx.net/ttdl/ 代理服务器]
		[http://www.8cx.net/pic/ 桌面壁纸]
		[http://www.8cx.net/sh/ 生活百科]

		[http://www.8cx.net/jZ .]
		[http://www.8cx.net/jy.htm 交友]
		[http://www.8cx.net/game.htm 游戏]
		[http://www.8cx.net/dy/ 电影]
		[http://www.8cx.net/bt/ bt]
		[http://www.8cx.net/flash/ flash]
		[http://www.8cx.net/joke/ 笑话]

		[http://www.8cx.net/soft/ 软件]
		[http://www.8cx.net/qq/ qq]
		[http://www.8cx.net/game/ 外挂]
		[http://www.8cx.net/link/ 自助链接]
		[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzfs.htm .]
		[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzqq.htm .]

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		[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zflash.htm .]

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Jukeboksi: rm vandalism

2004-12-21T08:06:55Z

rm vandalism

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	See also: [[Wikipedia Red Faction]]		See also: [[Wikipedia Red Faction]]

	~~[http://www.8cx.net 彩信]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/book/ 书库]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/ds/ 网络电视]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/ttdl/ 代理服务器]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/pic/ 桌面壁纸]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/sh/ 生活百科]~~

	~~[http://www.8cx.net/jy.htm 交友]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/game.htm 游戏]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/dy/ 电影]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/bt/ bt]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/flash/ flash]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/joke/ 笑话]~~

	~~[http://www.8cx.net/soft/ 软件]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/qq/ qq]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/game/ 外挂]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/link/ 自助链接]~~
	~~[http://yydy.512j.com/ .]~~
	~~[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzjq.htm .]~~

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	See also: [[Wikipedia Red Faction]]		See also: [[Wikipedia Red Faction]]

			[http://www.8cx.net 彩信]
			[http://www.8cx.net/book/ 书库]
			[http://www.8cx.net/ds/ 网络电视]
			[http://www.8cx.net/ttdl/ 代理服务器]
			[http://www.8cx.net/pic/ 桌面壁纸]
			[http://www.8cx.net/sh/ 生活百科]

			[http://www.8cx.net/jy.htm 交友]
			[http://www.8cx.net/game.htm 游戏]
			[http://www.8cx.net/dy/ 电影]
			[http://www.8cx.net/bt/ bt]
			[http://www.8cx.net/flash/ flash]
			[http://www.8cx.net/joke/ 笑话]

			[http://www.8cx.net/soft/ 软件]
			[http://www.8cx.net/qq/ qq]
			[http://www.8cx.net/game/ 外挂]
			[http://www.8cx.net/link/ 自助链接]
			[http://yydy.512j.com/ .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzjq.htm .]

			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzgg.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzliyi.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzuan.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzws.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzxl.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzzp.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzzk.htm .]

			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzsm.htm .]
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			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzjj.htm .]
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			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzdiao.htm .]
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			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzmh.htm .]
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			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzqm.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzgc.htm .]
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			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzwnl.htm .]

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			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzhj.htm .]
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			[http://tyjyllrj.go1.icpcn.com/ .]

			[http://www.8cx.net/cxmm.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/hxls.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/txls.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/cxmn.htm .]
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			[http://www.8cx.net/bx.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/en.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/hua.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/yx.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/car.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/hddg.htm .]
			[http://www.cxcn.info/ .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzlp.htm .]

			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzqh.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zztz.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzwb.htm .]
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			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzhbw.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzjm.htm .]
			[http://www.8cx.net/zz/zzwq.htm .]

142.177.109.161: fate of Wikimedia in Reds' view, Richardchilton's perspective

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	[[Wikimedia]] is not the lawful nor responsible [[steward]] of the [[GFDL corpus]] but a gang of [[usurper]]s who seek to prevent other [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s from placing themselves in a central position to distribute upgrades to that corpus. It is sometimes accused of collaborating with [[Bomis]]'s commercial interests and even more of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]]. It is very likely to be the targets of complaints and lawsuits especially from the [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] that it has recently censored.		[[Wikimedia]] is not the lawful nor responsible [[steward]] of the [[GFDL corpus]] but a gang of [[usurper]]s who seek to prevent other [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s from placing themselves in a central position to distribute upgrades to that corpus. It is sometimes accused of collaborating with [[Bomis]]'s commercial interests and even more of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]]. It is very likely to be the targets of complaints and lawsuits especially from the [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] that it has recently censored.

			This [[clique]] also regularly authorizes and encourages censorship of articles of interest to [[Pinks]] and [[Greens]] such as [[w:Genuine Progress Indicator]].

			In general, [[Reds]] consider there to be no negotiating nor accomodation with [[Wikimedia]] but view the [[troll-sysop struggle]] there as directly towards ultimately [[ending Wikimedia]] and replacing it with a more accountable structure with no history of [[GodKing]]s nor [[priestly hierarchy]] nor [[command hierarchy]]. ''See the analysis of [[English Wikipedia User Richardchilton]] for more on the prospect of withdrawing and helping destroy it from a distance.''

	==Wikipedia Itself==		==Wikipedia Itself==

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-thout seriously considering its governance structure, and that [[Wikimedia]] is simply a front organization for the same [[power structure]] that was described in early 2002 by Wales - a simple hierarchy with himself in charge, no accountability to anyone, not even donors who believe they are supporting a GFDL encyclopedia with "open" editing.
+''This version is from the perspective of the [[Consumerium:Reds]] [[faction]].
 There has been some examination of the project's role and the way it portrays itself, see [[w:Wikipedia:Itself]] for a list of contributions relevant to the form of Wikipedia, itself.
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 *"[[who's we]]" on Wikipedia?  See [[community point of view]]
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thout seriously considering its governance structure, and that [[Wikimedia]] is simply a front organization for the same [[power structure]] that was described in early 2002 by Wales - a simple hierarchy with himself in charge, no accountability to anyone, not even donors who believe they are supporting a GFDL encyclopedia with "open" editing.

There has been some examination of the project's role and the way it portrays itself, see [[w:Wikipedia:Itself]] for a list of contributions relevant to the form of Wikipedia, itself.

In general, Wikipedia has a dishonest view of itself, and presents itself very dishonestly as an attempt to build an encyclopedia, when in fact it appears to do little or nothing to meet the editorial standards of a serious encyclopedia, and forces people of strong qualifications to answer to petty abuse from various parties of no particular qualifications at all, as the project turned to popular selection of contributors and casual verification of content, often on ad hominem reasoning toward authors, instead of a more formal fact-checking process. It should be seen as a project that helped build the [[GFDL text corpus]] in many languages, but is now in decline. Much as the attempt to build a "GNU Unix" built the body of [[GPL]] code.

Wikipedia, more so than other wiki service in early 2004, had become a main source for re-distribution of encyclopedic content by other sites, and thus expanded the reach of errors contained in its largely unverified content. Redistribution of Wikipedia-sourced material by another user-editable encyclopedia that could prove more popular with contributors might pose the greatest risk to control by Wikipedia's founding cadre.

===Relation to Consumerium===

The default position should be that Wikipedia's serious governance problems are so dangerous to Consumerium that they can't be repeated here. The English Wikipedias and Mediawiki are [[enemy projects]] in that their goals and values differ so radically from those of [[Consumerium]] that any confusion of one set of policies or concept of responsibility on those projects with the policies or responsibilities of Consumerium is a net negative - that is, anyone who says regarding an important governance decision that "X isn't what WE* do on Wikipedia" should be told "right, go away, we're doing it anyway". Or more neutrally, "that's evidence that X is the right thing to do". On [[governance]] specifically.

*"[[who's we]]" on Wikipedia? See [[community point of view]]

----
===List of related wikipedia articles===

If you see something in wikipedia that could be useful, please put it here, if the Wikipedia article '''is not complete''' you should put it in the [[Research]] page - '''Lists and timelines are very welcome.'''

See also [[list of related Disinfopedia articles]], [[list of related Metaweb articles]], [[list of related Internet Encyclopedia articles]], [[list of related Everything2 articles]], [[list of Consumerium related articles]] (all external links)

Understanding buying choices and their effects:
* [[w:Conversion of units]]
* [[w:GTIN]]
* [[w:EAN]]
* [[w:UPC]]
* [[w:List of countries]]
* [[w:List of timelines]]
* [[w:List of reference tables]]
* [[w:List of stock exchanges]]
* [[w:List of supermarkets]]
* [[w:Commodity markets]] - buying on the largest scale
* [[w:Money]] - what it is and how it works, commodifying everything even you
* [[w:Tariff]]

Understanding moral choices as expressed in the marketplace:
* [[w:list of ethics articles]] - why would you care what you buy?
* [[w:Globalization]] makes it harder to know what your money does
* [[w:Transparency International]] tries to make it easier to find out
* [[w:Greenpeace]] has six campaigns to affect buying choices, and advocates
* [[w:Accounting reform]] which would make more liabilities visible to you
* [[w:Full cost accounting]] in particular would make waste visible
* [[w:Means of persuasion]], e.g. [[w:advertising]], [[w:propaganda]] of
** [[w:Productivism]] assumes that everything humans make is good
** [[w:Consumerism]] assumes that everything humans want is good

Directly relevant to consumerium mission, making actual moral buying choices:
* [[w:Slow Food]] - tied for third most relevant? buy local, organic, etc.
* [[w: Sweatshop]] - tied for third most relevant? often the target of
* [[w: Boycott]] - second most relevant? usually shorter term than
* [[w:Moral purchasing]] describes most exactly the consumerium.org mission
* [[w:Local food]]

Other
* [[w:brand management|brand management]], how products are positioned and gain identity. The "Wikipedia" brand has this concern too, leading to:
* tracking of [[w:Wikipedia:Self-references|Self-references]] of the project to itself, which [[self-references|Consumerium needs too]] so it knows what it is and is becoming.
* [[w:Wikipedia:itself]] which is the view of the english version of [[Wikipedia]] from '''Wikipedia, itself,''' and is used to mediate disputes about its direction and purposes.

See also: [[Wikipedia Red Faction]]