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		<title>Jukeboksi: typo</title>
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		<updated>2004-08-06T01:37:05Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;typo&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 01:37, 6 August 2004&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Trolls]] advocate that [[faction]]s have ways to combine [[edits, votes and bets]] in such a way that only information that the factions can agree on gets through to the [[Publish Wiki]].  This might involve a [[revert currency]] or a system of real world [[campaigner]] commitment to demonstrate the bodily truth, i.e. that there is [[some body]] asserting the truth of the allegations, etc.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Trolls]] advocate that [[faction]]s have ways to combine [[edits, votes and bets]] in such a way that only information that the factions can agree on gets through to the [[Publish Wiki]].  This might involve a [[revert currency]] or a system of real world [[campaigner]] commitment to demonstrate the bodily truth, i.e. that there is [[some body]] asserting the truth of the allegations, etc.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Lawyers]], the opposite of trolls, will argue that even a [[no body]] like a corporation enjoying [[corporate &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;priveleges&lt;/del&gt;]] should be able to use [[libel chill]] and &quot;[[interference with commerce]]&quot; laws to silence or marginalize an [[ethical minority]] that wishes to make it hard or impossible for the [[brand management|advertising and persuasion process]] to represent products falsely.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Lawyers]], the opposite of trolls, will argue that even a [[no body]] like a corporation enjoying [[corporate &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;privileges&lt;/ins&gt;]] should be able to use [[libel chill]] and &quot;[[interference with commerce]]&quot; laws to silence or marginalize an [[ethical minority]] that wishes to make it hard or impossible for the [[brand management|advertising and persuasion process]] to represent products falsely.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;To a troll, a fact is what someone bets their body on.  To a lawyer, a fact is what the client has paid them to claim is a fact.  There is no middle ground.  Only one of the who choices provides any [[moral purchasing potential]] at all.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;To a troll, a fact is what someone bets their body on.  To a lawyer, a fact is what the client has paid them to claim is a fact.  There is no middle ground.  Only one of the who choices provides any [[moral purchasing potential]] at all.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<author><name>Jukeboksi</name></author>
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		<title>142.177.94.38: quite trolled, see if you can argue</title>
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		<updated>2004-08-05T16:46:29Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;quite trolled, see if you can argue&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;What to accept as fact&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; is the primary issue in [[User_talk:Juxo]] right now where someone believes a [[sysop power structure]] must make this choice and put &amp;quot;non-factual statements&amp;quot; into a separate &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Opinion Wiki&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; while the &amp;quot;approved facts&amp;quot; are respected in the [[Research Wiki]] which is on the fast-track to be seen by the public in the [[Publish Wiki]].  It does not seem that such a scheme can ever be made objective or simple.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Trolls]] advocate that [[faction]]s have ways to combine [[edits, votes and bets]] in such a way that only information that the factions can agree on gets through to the [[Publish Wiki]].  This might involve a [[revert currency]] or a system of real world [[campaigner]] commitment to demonstrate the bodily truth, i.e. that there is [[some body]] asserting the truth of the allegations, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Lawyers]], the opposite of trolls, will argue that even a [[no body]] like a corporation enjoying [[corporate priveleges]] should be able to use [[libel chill]] and &amp;quot;[[interference with commerce]]&amp;quot; laws to silence or marginalize an [[ethical minority]] that wishes to make it hard or impossible for the [[brand management|advertising and persuasion process]] to represent products falsely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To a troll, a fact is what someone bets their body on.  To a lawyer, a fact is what the client has paid them to claim is a fact.  There is no middle ground.  Only one of the who choices provides any [[moral purchasing potential]] at all.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>142.177.94.38</name></author>
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