Vandal - Revision history

142.177.77.28: yup, that 's how they become invisible

2004-07-14T21:53:34Z

yup, that 's how they *become* invisible

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	:Huh? How are vandal edits invisible, unless they are deleted?--[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 22:28, 14 Jul 2004 (EEST)		:Huh? How are vandal edits invisible, unless they are deleted?--[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 22:28, 14 Jul 2004 (EEST)

			::That's exactly the point. Any [[faction]] (including [[sysop]]s and other [[troll]]s) can revert/delete vandal edits. The definition of being in this faction is that your edits are invisible. ;-)

Jukeboksi at 19:28, 14 July 2004

2004-07-14T19:28:15Z

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	Note that [[sysop vandalism]] and less visible [[developer vandalism]] is also possible. There is no reason to believe that sysops or developers never make an article less useful, or never engage in behaviour that degardes the corpus.		Note that [[sysop vandalism]] and less visible [[developer vandalism]] is also possible. There is no reason to believe that sysops or developers never make an article less useful, or never engage in behaviour that degardes the corpus.

	By incorporating vandals as a faction in themselves, one that is the only one whose edits are invisible, we achieve [[reflexive]] [[wiki management]] where no external "mailing list" or "IRC channel" or "special status" is required.		By incorporating vandals as a faction in themselves, one that is the only one whose edits are invisible, we achieve [[reflexive design\|reflexive]] [[wiki management]] where no external "mailing list" or "IRC channel" or "special status" is required.

			:Huh? How are vandal edits invisible, unless they are deleted?--[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 22:28, 14 Jul 2004 (EEST)

Trolling Consumerium: from OurAnswer:vandals

2004-07-13T22:44:52Z

from OurAnswer:vandals

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	*the sophisticated vandal who inserts credible-reading nonsense like false facts that seem almost right - if this is nonrandom then they may be a [[POV warrior]] or [[funded troll]] which is not vandalism but a genuine conflict on what sources to trust		*the sophisticated vandal who inserts credible-reading nonsense like false facts that seem almost right - if this is nonrandom then they may be a [[POV warrior]] or [[funded troll]] which is not vandalism but a genuine conflict on what sources to trust
	*the [[sysop vandal]] who exercises [[technological escalation]] and trust gained through doing routine tasks, to apply their poor editorial judgement, e.g. to [[ad hominem delete]] or [[IP block]] those whose philosophies aren't compatible with infinite tolerance of the [[Sysop Vandal point of view]], i.e. that those who have technological power, are morally superior by definition.		*the [[sysop vandal]] who exercises [[technological escalation]] and trust gained through doing routine tasks, to apply their poor editorial judgement, e.g. to [[ad hominem delete]] or [[IP block]] those whose philosophies aren't compatible with infinite tolerance of the [[Sysop Vandal point of view]], i.e. that those who have technological power, are morally superior by definition.

			=== Vandals as a [[faction]] ===

			The '''Vandals''' are a de facto [[faction]] consisting of all [[IP number]]s consistently used to do [[vandalism]], whose editors seem to have no interest in becoming [[trolls]]. When trolls will not vouch for an edit, by whatever means they use to do that (it must be [[factionally defined]] by them alone), then it must be considered [[vandalism]]. Presumably this includes all insensible page replacement, graffiti-like "tagging", plain jokes, or simple page blanking. [[Lowest Troll]] can remove these from view, as soon as the trolls agree its vandalism.

			Note that [[sysop vandalism]] and less visible [[developer vandalism]] is also possible. There is no reason to believe that sysops or developers never make an article less useful, or never engage in behaviour that degardes the corpus.

			By incorporating vandals as a faction in themselves, one that is the only one whose edits are invisible, we achieve [[reflexive]] [[wiki management]] where no external "mailing list" or "IRC channel" or "special status" is required.

142.177.97.194 at 18:32, 28 June 2004

2004-06-28T18:32:42Z

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There are three types of '''vandal'':

*the simple vandal who simply blanks pages or inserts obvious nonsense like "nyah nyah na nyah nyah" or "you are a [[troll]]" (only [[trolls]] can claim to be trolls, so, someone else calling you one is just fatuous compliment)
*the sophisticated vandal who inserts credible-reading nonsense like false facts that seem almost right - if this is nonrandom then they may be a [[POV warrior]] or [[funded troll]] which is not vandalism but a genuine conflict on what sources to trust
*the [[sysop vandal]] who exercises [[technological escalation]] and trust gained through doing routine tasks, to apply their poor editorial judgement, e.g. to [[ad hominem delete]] or [[IP block]] those whose philosophies aren't compatible with infinite tolerance of the [[Sysop Vandal point of view]], i.e. that those who have technological power, are morally superior by definition.

Vandal - Revision history

142.177.77.28: yup, that 's how they *become* invisible

Jukeboksi at 19:28, 14 July 2004

Trolling Consumerium: from OurAnswer:vandals

142.177.97.194 at 18:32, 28 June 2004

142.177.77.28: yup, that 's how they become invisible