User talk:N8chz - Revision history

N8chz at 17:17, 31 October 2004

2004-10-31T17:17:51Z

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	::Well, we argue a lot about abstract terms here, for good reasons. We have to have an abstraction everywhere there's a choice. That's how coders think. So a [[Consumerium buying signal]] has an abstract name like "signal" since it might be [[print]], [[audio]], [[video]] displayed, compiled into a whole lot of such signals in a [[book]], or even be used to brief people walking around encouraging and helping people to buy only [[green light]] products, and etc. So there is clearly an abstract signal which shoves all these people towards one type of product and away from another - that's "[[moral purchasing power]]" and it will move them in a different direction than plain old [[advertising]]. We can justify the abstraction by the power it gives.		::Well, we argue a lot about abstract terms here, for good reasons. We have to have an abstraction everywhere there's a choice. That's how coders think. So a [[Consumerium buying signal]] has an abstract name like "signal" since it might be [[print]], [[audio]], [[video]] displayed, compiled into a whole lot of such signals in a [[book]], or even be used to brief people walking around encouraging and helping people to buy only [[green light]] products, and etc. So there is clearly an abstract signal which shoves all these people towards one type of product and away from another - that's "[[moral purchasing power]]" and it will move them in a different direction than plain old [[advertising]]. We can justify the abstraction by the power it gives.

			:::Of your proposed signals, I prefer most your idea of compiling a whole lot of them in a book. That practice is sometimes referred to as [[aggregation]].
			:::I found a technical paper on this at http://www.gsm.uci.edu/~bakos/aig/aig.html, and it is also the basis of my proposal that interested persons try to de-package (informationally, at least) what I term "package deals," also known as "bundles."

			:::<blockquote>There might be some interest in doing [[price premium]] comparisons automatically, say [[import]]ed [[transport\|flying]] [[tomato]]es vs. nuclear [[greenhouse]] [[tomato]]es vs. [[renewable energy]] greenhouse [[tomato]]es</blockquote>

			:::I have a considerable amount of interest in the [[price premuim]] concept, since bundles of premiums are in effect what is offered in what you term a [[service economy]].

			:::<blockquote>but we really don't want to get involved into price data security issues right now.</blockquote>

			:::I do, but that is pubwan, not consumerium. I must admit that I'm a little concerned that you see price data as a security issue. I view it as purely a [[transparency]] issue. It is my view that it is the many, not the few, who are [[stakeholder]]s in price data, in the aggregate.

			:::Pax, Lori ([[N8chz]])

	::If you want the terminology, you may find [[Recyclopedia]] useful, as it has some subjects censored at [[Wikipedia]] that are essential to [[Consumerium]] and similar projects.		::If you want the terminology, you may find [[Recyclopedia]] useful, as it has some subjects censored at [[Wikipedia]] that are essential to [[Consumerium]] and similar projects.

142.177.106.10 at 22:12, 21 March 2004

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	My mama told me never to volunteer information. I don't see that strategy resulting in Consumerium or pubwan.		My mama told me never to volunteer information. I don't see that strategy resulting in Consumerium or pubwan.

			::[[Wikipedia]] proves people will contribute if they care. It doesn't prove that anything worthwhile results. And the [[sysop vandalism]] and [[sysop vigilantiism]] could be worth here if we figure out the [[Consumerium Process]] wrong. One mistake they made at Wikipedia was not figuring out how they would ever get a print version out at the end!

	''Please, though, we have enough abstract terminology! We don't need to talk about "virtual objects" and other such non-terms here. We need if anything to focus on the concretes, so your input at [[Consumerium User Stories]], [[best cases]], etc., is welcomed particularly.''		''Please, though, we have enough abstract terminology! We don't need to talk about "virtual objects" and other such non-terms here. We need if anything to focus on the concretes, so your input at [[Consumerium User Stories]], [[best cases]], etc., is welcomed particularly.''

	Sorry if I have confused. I too am confused, as I lack the vocabulary to describe the models I visualize, so I look up things. Sometimes the result is disappointing.		Sorry if I have confused. I too am confused, as I lack the vocabulary to describe the models I visualize, so I look up things. Sometimes the result is disappointing.

			::Well, we argue a lot about abstract terms here, for good reasons. We have to have an abstraction everywhere there's a choice. That's how coders think. So a [[Consumerium buying signal]] has an abstract name like "signal" since it might be [[print]], [[audio]], [[video]] displayed, compiled into a whole lot of such signals in a [[book]], or even be used to brief people walking around encouraging and helping people to buy only [[green light]] products, and etc. So there is clearly an abstract signal which shoves all these people towards one type of product and away from another - that's "[[moral purchasing power]]" and it will move them in a different direction than plain old [[advertising]]. We can justify the abstraction by the power it gives.

			::If you want the terminology, you may find [[Recyclopedia]] useful, as it has some subjects censored at [[Wikipedia]] that are essential to [[Consumerium]] and similar projects.

Jukeboksi: forgot to sign

2004-03-21T11:58:31Z

forgot to sign

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	Actually, what I (Lorraine Lee, aka n8chz) had in mind here is simply the linearization of nonlinear pricing schemes. I understand that pricing is not a primary concern of Consumerium. Prices are said to contain information, though. I can see how you do not want Consumerium to degenerate into a "shop bot."		Actually, what I (Lorraine Lee, aka n8chz) had in mind here is simply the linearization of nonlinear pricing schemes. I understand that pricing is not a primary concern of Consumerium. Prices are said to contain information, though. I can see how you do not want Consumerium to degenerate into a "shop bot."

	:Linearization of non-linear price schemes? Here in Finland where I live we have mandatory standardised pricing labeling in stores ie. there are the prices per litre or per kilogram in all labels, this makes price comparison much simpler. There might be some interest in doing [[price premium]] comparisons automatically, say [[import]]ed [[transport\|flying]] [[tomato]]es vs. nuclear [[greenhouse]] [[tomato]]es vs. [[renewable energy]] greenhouse [[tomato]]es, but we really don't want to get involved into price data security issues right now.		:Linearization of non-linear price schemes? Here in Finland where I live we have mandatory standardised pricing labeling in stores ie. there are the prices per litre or per kilogram in all labels, this makes price comparison much simpler. There might be some interest in doing [[price premium]] comparisons automatically, say [[import]]ed [[transport\|flying]] [[tomato]]es vs. nuclear [[greenhouse]] [[tomato]]es vs. [[renewable energy]] greenhouse [[tomato]]es, but we really don't want to get involved into price data security issues right now. --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 13:58, 21 Mar 2004 (EET)

	''*recruiting the [[Consumerium:contributor]] - which you call "information volunteer"''		''*recruiting the [[Consumerium:contributor]] - which you call "information volunteer"''

Jukeboksi: Linearization of non-linear price schemes? Do i understand this right?

2004-03-21T11:39:05Z

Linearization of non-linear price schemes? Do i understand this right?

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	Actually, what I (Lorraine Lee, aka n8chz) had in mind here is simply the linearization of nonlinear pricing schemes. I understand that pricing is not a primary concern of Consumerium. Prices are said to contain information, though. I can see how you do not want Consumerium to degenerate into a "shop bot."		Actually, what I (Lorraine Lee, aka n8chz) had in mind here is simply the linearization of nonlinear pricing schemes. I understand that pricing is not a primary concern of Consumerium. Prices are said to contain information, though. I can see how you do not want Consumerium to degenerate into a "shop bot."

			:Linearization of non-linear price schemes? Here in Finland where I live we have mandatory standardised pricing labeling in stores ie. there are the prices per litre or per kilogram in all labels, this makes price comparison much simpler. There might be some interest in doing [[price premium]] comparisons automatically, say [[import]]ed [[transport\|flying]] [[tomato]]es vs. nuclear [[greenhouse]] [[tomato]]es vs. [[renewable energy]] greenhouse [[tomato]]es, but we really don't want to get involved into price data security issues right now.

	''*recruiting the [[Consumerium:contributor]] - which you call "information volunteer"''		''*recruiting the [[Consumerium:contributor]] - which you call "information volunteer"''

N8chz at 18:24, 20 March 2004

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	Welcome to [[Consumerium]] N8czh. [[Pubwan]] is of high interest to us here at consumerium. Expecially the link to http://www.upcdatabase.com/ that you've provided might prove enormously valuable to [[Consumerium:Itself]]. I hope you enjoy contributing to [[motivation\|our cause]] --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 13:30, 13 Mar 2004 (EET)		Welcome to [[Consumerium]] N8czh. [[Pubwan]] is of high interest to us here at consumerium. Expecially the link to http://www.upcdatabase.com/ that you've provided might prove enormously valuable to [[Consumerium:Itself]]. I hope you enjoy contributing to [[motivation\|our cause]] --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 13:30, 13 Mar 2004 (EET)
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			''*large scale cataloging of package deals - like [[buying coops]]? We call these [[faction]]s and support [[institutional buying criteria]] they share''

			Actually, what I (Lorraine Lee, aka n8chz) had in mind here is simply the linearization of nonlinear pricing schemes. I understand that pricing is not a primary concern of Consumerium. Prices are said to contain information, though. I can see how you do not want Consumerium to degenerate into a "shop bot."

			''*recruiting the [[Consumerium:contributor]] - which you call "information volunteer"''

			My mama told me never to volunteer information. I don't see that strategy resulting in Consumerium or pubwan.

			''Please, though, we have enough abstract terminology! We don't need to talk about "virtual objects" and other such non-terms here. We need if anything to focus on the concretes, so your input at [[Consumerium User Stories]], [[best cases]], etc., is welcomed particularly.''

			Sorry if I have confused. I too am confused, as I lack the vocabulary to describe the models I visualize, so I look up things. Sometimes the result is disappointing.

Jukeboksi: Welcome

2004-03-13T11:30:47Z

Welcome

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	[[User:DanKeshet\|DanKeshet]]		[[User:DanKeshet\|DanKeshet]]
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			Welcome to [[Consumerium]] N8czh. [[Pubwan]] is of high interest to us here at consumerium. Expecially the link to http://www.upcdatabase.com/ that you've provided might prove enormously valuable to [[Consumerium:Itself]]. I hope you enjoy contributing to [[motivation\|our cause]] --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 13:30, 13 Mar 2004 (EET)

DanKeshet: hi!

2004-03-12T20:55:54Z

hi!

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	Please, though, we have enough abstract terminology! We don't need to talk about "virtual objects" and other such non-terms here. We need if anything to focus on the concretes, so your input at [[Consumerium User Stories]], [[best cases]], etc., is welcomed particularly.		Please, though, we have enough abstract terminology! We don't need to talk about "virtual objects" and other such non-terms here. We need if anything to focus on the concretes, so your input at [[Consumerium User Stories]], [[best cases]], etc., is welcomed particularly.

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			Hi N8chz,

			Great to see you here. I've always been so happy to see your edits to voting systems articles on Wikipedia.

			Peace,

			[[User:DanKeshet\|DanKeshet]]

142.177.103.244: some requests for articles based on pubwan materials

2004-03-12T20:31:31Z

some requests for articles based on pubwan materials

New page

[http://geocities.com/n8chz/ Pubwan] is a nice set of links. Nice work. You should add [[Recyclopedia]] (a superset of [[Wikipedia]] that has a much better management paradigm) and [[Metaweb]] (working on new tools to process things like the [[Consumerium:intermediate page]], in fact that idea came from them), and other [[essential projects]] and [[interesting projects]] we have listed.

It would be really ideal if you created a bunch of articles on these topics in particular:

*[[appropriate technology]] - an issue we've got into here lately, see [[audio]] and [[Consumerium buying signal]] and [[User:DanKeshet/scratchpad]] and the debate over [[Hardware requirements]] and the [[terminal device]]s.

*initial pubwan offering - any good [[self-funding]] or [[pilot]] ideas? How can this grow into [[healthy signal infrastructure]] ?
*large scale cataloging of package deals - like [[buying coops]]? We call these [[faction]]s and support [[institutional buying criteria]] they share
*leveling the data mining playing field - we call this [[research wiki]]
*[[appliances]]
*[[community planning]]
*[[housing]]
*"environment" is something that should not exist, we are talking about specific [[comprehensive outcome]]s for various [[ecoregion]]s and species, and [[w:public bad]]s like [[deforestation]] or [[extinction]].
*[[trailer park]] and [[semi trailer]] are intriguing - like a book bus?
*recruiting the [[Consumerium:contributor]] - which you call "information volunteer"

Please, though, we have enough abstract terminology! We don't need to talk about "virtual objects" and other such non-terms here. We need if anything to focus on the concretes, so your input at [[Consumerium User Stories]], [[best cases]], etc., is welcomed particularly.