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		<title>142.177.104.110 at 04:56, 22 February 2004</title>
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		<updated>2004-02-22T04:56:25Z</updated>

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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 04:56, 22 February 2004&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l3&quot;&gt;Line 3:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 3:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But most importantly, user-land consists of real human users, not geeks.  To a real human user, the most important thing about his computer is that it be easy to use and use the same words to mean the same things, like Mac or Windows or his phone, not 3000 different words in 30 colours like a typical web site.  The price of the computer matters, too, and its operating system being so reliable they never have to know what the word &amp;quot;crash&amp;quot; means.  Hardware and the exact words used on the screen matter much more than whether [[free software]] is under it, which the smartest child of the user might learn how to read and change in 20 years, if and only if they can get a job as a [[cheap outsourced coder]] with that skill.  Meanwhile, the user must work at a real job to get the money to pay for the computer, the education, and keeping the electricity on and that child fed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But most importantly, user-land consists of real human users, not geeks.  To a real human user, the most important thing about his computer is that it be easy to use and use the same words to mean the same things, like Mac or Windows or his phone, not 3000 different words in 30 colours like a typical web site.  The price of the computer matters, too, and its operating system being so reliable they never have to know what the word &amp;quot;crash&amp;quot; means.  Hardware and the exact words used on the screen matter much more than whether [[free software]] is under it, which the smartest child of the user might learn how to read and change in 20 years, if and only if they can get a job as a [[cheap outsourced coder]] with that skill.  Meanwhile, the user must work at a real job to get the money to pay for the computer, the education, and keeping the electricity on and that child fed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Trying to use &#039;&#039;&#039;geek-net&#039;&#039;&#039; to figure out the problems of &#039;&#039;&#039;user-land&#039;&#039;&#039; has an obvious [[systemic bias]].  The only way to make up for this is to do serious [[research]] on the needs of real people, and give more credibility and status (e.g. via a [[revert currency]] system) to those who do this research, than those who spout their own opinions.  It may also be necessary to create a [[power structure]] that puts [[developing-world user]]s with [[language barrier]]s reporting &#039;&#039;their&#039;&#039; [[community point of view]] with more power.  When someone is reporting only their own view, presumably, this is not quite so important.  Also, a [[developed-world user]] is inherently more priveleged and to reduce the [[systemic bias]] they should be disadvantaged relative to those from poorer places.  To equalize access based on language, sticking to simple [[glossary]] and [[Simple English]] vocabulary and phrases may really help.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Trying to use &#039;&#039;&#039;geek-net&#039;&#039;&#039; to figure out the problems of &#039;&#039;&#039;user-land&#039;&#039;&#039; has an obvious [[systemic bias]].  The only way to make up for this is to do serious [[research]] on the needs of real people, and give more credibility and status (e.g. via a [[revert currency]] system) to those who do this research, than those who spout their own opinions.  It may also be necessary to create a [[power structure]] that puts [[developing-world user]]s with [[language barrier]]s reporting &#039;&#039;their&#039;&#039; [[community point of view]] with more power.  &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039;Limiting the power of the [[Consumerium social club]] is a first step to this.&#039;&#039;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;When someone is reporting only their own view, presumably, this is not quite so important.  Also, a [[developed-world user]] is inherently more priveleged and to reduce the [[systemic bias]] they should be disadvantaged relative to those from poorer places.  To equalize access based on language, sticking to simple [[glossary]] and [[Simple English]] vocabulary and phrases may really help.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;When the actual views of real developing nations users is not available, [[NGO]] and [[political party]] positions might be necessary to fill the gaps until more firsthand [[field report]]s are available from real &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;user-land&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;When the actual views of real developing nations users is not available, [[NGO]] and [[political party]] positions might be necessary to fill the gaps until more firsthand [[field report]]s are available from real &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;user-land&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>142.177.104.110 at 04:54, 22 February 2004</title>
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		<updated>2004-02-22T04:54:28Z</updated>

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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 04:54, 22 February 2004&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l3&quot;&gt;Line 3:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But most importantly, user-land consists of real human users, not geeks.  To a real human user, the most important thing about his computer is that it be easy to use and use the same words to mean the same things, like Mac or Windows or his phone, not 3000 different words in 30 colours like a typical web site.  The price of the computer matters, too, and its operating system being so reliable they never have to know what the word &amp;quot;crash&amp;quot; means.  Hardware and the exact words used on the screen matter much more than whether [[free software]] is under it, which the smartest child of the user might learn how to read and change in 20 years, if and only if they can get a job as a [[cheap outsourced coder]] with that skill.  Meanwhile, the user must work at a real job to get the money to pay for the computer, the education, and keeping the electricity on and that child fed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But most importantly, user-land consists of real human users, not geeks.  To a real human user, the most important thing about his computer is that it be easy to use and use the same words to mean the same things, like Mac or Windows or his phone, not 3000 different words in 30 colours like a typical web site.  The price of the computer matters, too, and its operating system being so reliable they never have to know what the word &amp;quot;crash&amp;quot; means.  Hardware and the exact words used on the screen matter much more than whether [[free software]] is under it, which the smartest child of the user might learn how to read and change in 20 years, if and only if they can get a job as a [[cheap outsourced coder]] with that skill.  Meanwhile, the user must work at a real job to get the money to pay for the computer, the education, and keeping the electricity on and that child fed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Trying to use &#039;&#039;&#039;geek-net&#039;&#039;&#039; to figure out the problems of &#039;&#039;&#039;user-land&#039;&#039;&#039; has an obvious [[systemic bias]].  The only way to make up for this is to do serious [[research]] on the needs of real people, and give more credibility and status to those who do this research, than those who spout their own opinions.  When this is not available, [[NGO]] and [[political party]] positions might be necessary to fill the gaps until more firsthand [[field report]]s are available from real &#039;&#039;&#039;user-land&#039;&#039;&#039;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Trying to use &#039;&#039;&#039;geek-net&#039;&#039;&#039; to figure out the problems of &#039;&#039;&#039;user-land&#039;&#039;&#039; has an obvious [[systemic bias]].  The only way to make up for this is to do serious [[research]] on the needs of real people, and give more credibility and status &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;(e.g. via a [[revert currency]] system) &lt;/ins&gt;to those who do this research, than those who spout their own opinions&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;.  It may also be necessary to create a [[power structure]] that puts [[developing-world user]]s with [[language barrier]]s reporting &#039;&#039;their&#039;&#039; [[community point of view]] with more power&lt;/ins&gt;.  When &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;someone is reporting only their own view, presumably, &lt;/ins&gt;this &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;is not quite so important.  Also, a [[developed-world user]] is inherently more priveleged and to reduce the [[systemic bias]] they should be disadvantaged relative to those from poorer places.  To equalize access based on language, sticking to simple [[glossary]] and [[Simple English]] vocabulary and phrases may really help.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;When the actual views of real developing nations users &lt;/ins&gt;is not available, [[NGO]] and [[political party]] positions might be necessary to fill the gaps until more firsthand [[field report]]s are available from real &#039;&#039;&#039;user-land&#039;&#039;&#039;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>142.177.104.110 at 04:47, 22 February 2004</title>
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		<updated>2004-02-22T04:47:19Z</updated>

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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;User-land&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; has different rules than &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;geek-net&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.  First, user-land is a real place where people have real problems.  If they get hurt or lied about, it causes actual discomfort.  If they are cheated or lied to, they don&amp;#039;t come back with 20 new [[IP number]]s to cheat and lie back, they mostly just go away and say bad things about you.  If they are threatened, they go to the police about it, rather than start rumours with what they know are [[echo chamber]] lies.  A user-land community is a real place with gardens and streets where people live and love.  It is not a bunch of text hacked up from [[community point of view]], which real users would recognize as being mostly just irrelevant.&lt;br /&gt;
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But most importantly, user-land consists of real human users, not geeks.  To a real human user, the most important thing about his computer is that it be easy to use and use the same words to mean the same things, like Mac or Windows or his phone, not 3000 different words in 30 colours like a typical web site.  The price of the computer matters, too, and its operating system being so reliable they never have to know what the word &amp;quot;crash&amp;quot; means.  Hardware and the exact words used on the screen matter much more than whether [[free software]] is under it, which the smartest child of the user might learn how to read and change in 20 years, if and only if they can get a job as a [[cheap outsourced coder]] with that skill.  Meanwhile, the user must work at a real job to get the money to pay for the computer, the education, and keeping the electricity on and that child fed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Trying to use &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;geek-net&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; to figure out the problems of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;user-land&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; has an obvious [[systemic bias]].  The only way to make up for this is to do serious [[research]] on the needs of real people, and give more credibility and status to those who do this research, than those who spout their own opinions.  When this is not available, [[NGO]] and [[political party]] positions might be necessary to fill the gaps until more firsthand [[field report]]s are available from real &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;user-land&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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