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	<br>[10:30] Juxo: But there won't be much need for that likely. Like there should be this social contract that _you_don't_touch_ [[User:NotMyUserName/MyVotes]] or [[User:NotMyUserName/Keys]]		<br>[10:30] Juxo: But there won't be much need for that likely. Like there should be this social contract that _you_don't_touch_ [[User:NotMyUserName/MyVotes]] or [[User:NotMyUserName/Keys]]
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Jukeboksi: here's a portion of a chat with Brion about utilizing/extending the MediaWiki to house much of the campaigning related stuff like Groups, Campaigns and a WikiVoting system

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here's a portion of a chat with Brion about utilizing/extending the MediaWiki to house much of the campaigning related stuff like Groups, Campaigns and a WikiVoting system

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'''PLEASE DON'T LINK TO ANY "ARTICLE" FROM THIS PAGE, THEY ARE HERE JUST TO ILLUSTRATE A POSSIBLE DESIGN STRUCTURE'''

 [09:04] Juxo: i've been thinking about this "Campaign management by Wiki" thingy
 [09:04] Juxo: but since there is the "score" in each campaign
 [09:04] Juxo: which makes it rather suspect to vandalism
 [09:05] Juxo: like swithcing a "Boycott" to "Endorse" just by switching the score from -3 to 3
 [09:05] brion: hmm
 [09:06] Juxo: so the [[Campaign:Some Campaign]] pages have to be protected and unprotected on demand
 [09:06] Juxo: or portions of them??
 [09:06] Juxo: how difficult would you figure it to be to implement UNIX-style user/group scheme in MediaWiki?
 [09:06] brion: perhaps you could set something up to import data into the page; the data itself would be more protected
 [09:06] brion: for whole pages, not too hard
 [09:07] brion: with some slight expansion of existing usage
 [09:07] Juxo: hmm
 [09:07] brion: so the 'cur_restrictions' field could include things other than 'sysop'
 [09:07] brion: arbitrary groups
 [09:07] Juxo: i've never needed to protect a page
 [09:07] Juxo: how is it like
 [09:08] Juxo: so if you logged in as sysop then there is an "edit this Page" button?
 [09:08] Juxo: on a protected page
 [09:08] brion: right
 [09:10] Juxo: there are situations like Party A (A) and Party B (B) doing distinct campaigns on the same issue and then they decide to merge the campaigns and the result is that both A and B have equal rights to modify the merged campaign so then there would have to be groups A, B and A-and-B
 [09:11] Juxo: it would ease the development work of The Consumerium Exchange if campaign management was done in the Content Wiki
 [09:11] brion: hmm
 [09:11] brion: rather than A-and-B it seems simpler to grant access to both groups A and B
 [09:12] Juxo: you are right
 [09:12] brion: or maybe that's the same thing
 [09:12] brion: my mind is going :)
 [09:12] Juxo: i'm not thinking straight
 [09:12] Juxo: i went to bed on the wrong feet
 [09:12] Juxo: as you might recall
 [09:12] brion: :)
 [09:12] * Juxo coffee
 [09:24] Juxo: hmmm
 [09:25] Juxo: come to think of it '''majority of [[The Consumerium Exchange]] could be implemented in [[wiki]]'''
 [09:25] Juxo: maybe
 [09:25] Juxo: with proper page protection
 [09:25] Juxo: and proper syntax
 [09:27] Juxo: and just inserting hooks into the page edit that look up the changes in variables and update the "backend" that calculates indices, composite instruments and peer-review values
 [09:27] Juxo: hmm
 [09:27] Juxo: hmm
 [09:27] Juxo: hmm
 [09:27] brion: could do, sure
 [09:27] Juxo: then there is just the problem of security
 [09:27] Juxo: though https would help some
 [09:28] Juxo: and no reason why not GnuPG signatures of article versions could not be added
 [09:28] Juxo: so we would have
 [09:30] Juxo: [[User:]], [[Group:]], [[Campaign:]] ???
 [09:32] * Juxo gone to sql
 [09:35] Juxo: user.user_rights <-> cur.restrictions ???
 [09:36] brion: they're actually comma-separated lists
 [09:36] brion: though in practice this is rare
 [09:37] brion: and not all code is set up to support such use
 [09:37] Juxo: so it's no hack at all to have any number of user.user_rights?
 [09:38] brion: right, but i've never tested arbitrary usage
 [09:38] brion: and there's no ui for creating such priviledges/access lists
 [09:38] Juxo: I'll have to code it
 [09:38] brion: :)
 [09:44] Juxo: if cur.restrictions == '' the article is editable and if cur.restrictions == 'CompanyXHatersEurope,CompanyXHatersUSA' then the article is editable only by UnitedCompanyHaters
 [09:44] brion: right
 [09:44] brion: "in theory"
 [09:45] Juxo: and who/where gets to set cur.restrictions currently (outside of sql) ?
 [09:46] brion: functions in Title i think
 [09:46] brion: which simply switch between '' and 'sysop'
 [09:47] Juxo: we have to set it up so that whoever is in cur.restrictions can add new members and so that whoever is in cur.restrictions can remove oneself from there
 [09:47] Juxo: i have to think
 [09:48] Juxo: now the crucial question:
 [09:49] Juxo: is user.user_rights also a comma separated list?
 [09:49] brion: yes
 [09:49] Juxo: YES!!!
 [09:49] Juxo: then it's mostly a question of making some new UI for group-management
 [09:50] Juxo: oh down with the XML... we are wiki-bound
 [09:50] Juxo: :)
 [09:50] brion: hehe
 [09:54] Juxo: i guess consumerium is in for the rererevised design paradigm ;)
 [09:58] Juxo: hmm
 [10:00] Juxo: [[User:UserName]] would be as in wikipedia
 [10:01] Juxo: [[User:UserName/Keys]] would be designated for publishing keys
 [10:05] Juxo: [[Group:GroupName]] poses problems like we wouldn't want to have folk hi-jacking known names eg. Amnesty International and such. so...
 [10:07] Juxo: [[Group:GroupName]] would be created upon request by sysops
 [10:09] Juxo: with cur.restriction == GroupName
 [10:11] Juxo: [[Group:GroupName/Keys]] would be designated for publishing keys the group uses to sign articles
 [10:15] Juxo: [[WikiGroup:WikiGroupName]] would be used when [[Group:]]s and/or [[User:]]s decide to combine forces for some cause. With a strict policy of not selecting names of real world organisations like [[WikiGroup:UN|UN]] would definatelly be renamed by the control freaks in charge of irrigation systems
 [10:16] Juxo: subarticle Keys as before
 [10:17] Juxo: and cur.restriction = $prefix . $WikiGroupName;
 [10:20] brion: at present there's no restrictions on pages that don't exist yet
 [10:20] brion: might want ot hack something in for subpages for instance
 [10:21] Juxo: [[Campaign:CampaignName/Members]] would be used to harvest all [[User:]], [[Group:]] and [[WikiGroup:]] links recursively to determine the momentum of the campaign
 [10:24] Juxo: [[Campaign:CampaignName/Vote]] could be used as a link-to target from [[User:UserName/MyVotes]], [[Group:GroupName/OurVotes]], [[WikiGroup:WikiGroupName/OurVotes]], which could naturally be protected by their respective members
 [10:24] Juxo: ...used also to weigh the momentum of the [[Campaign:]]
 [10:28] Juxo: [[User:UserName]] won't propably get her/his own unique user.user_rights entry
 [10:30] Juxo: But there won't be much need for that likely. Like there should be this social contract that _you_don't_touch_ [[User:NotMyUserName/MyVotes]] or [[User:NotMyUserName/Keys]]
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Jukeboksi: note about having permission from Brion to publish this under GFDL

Jukeboksi: here's a portion of a chat with Brion about utilizing/extending the MediaWiki to house much of the campaigning related stuff like Groups, Campaigns and a WikiVoting system