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Jukeboksi: Text replacement - "Anarchopedia" to "Anarcopedia"

2021-04-12T13:58:49Z

Text replacement - "Anarchopedia" to "Anarcopedia"

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	*[[Wikipedia]] has a mixed structure where the [[sysop power structure]] self-regulates, ineffectively, resulting in the [[sysop vandalism]] and [[sysop vandal point of view]] mostly dominating [[wiki management]] and [[wiki governance]] debate. Without the power to '''undelete page'''s it becomes difficult or impossible to participate in an [[edit war]] against those who do have it, reinforcing the [[Wikimedia]] [[cabal]].		*[[Wikipedia]] has a mixed structure where the [[sysop power structure]] self-regulates, ineffectively, resulting in the [[sysop vandalism]] and [[sysop vandal point of view]] mostly dominating [[wiki management]] and [[wiki governance]] debate. Without the power to '''undelete page'''s it becomes difficult or impossible to participate in an [[edit war]] against those who do have it, reinforcing the [[Wikimedia]] [[cabal]].

	*[[~~Anarchopedia~~]] distributes the power to '''undelete page'''s to all users, so that there is effectively no [[sysop power structure]] at all; [[ad hominem delete]] is this only very slightly more powerful than [[ad hominem revert]] as a means of curtailing debate, and no user can actually gain much power over any other in an [[edit war]].		*[[Anarcopedia]] distributes the power to '''undelete page'''s to all users, so that there is effectively no [[sysop power structure]] at all; [[ad hominem delete]] is this only very slightly more powerful than [[ad hominem revert]] as a means of curtailing debate, and no user can actually gain much power over any other in an [[edit war]].

	It is very likely that [[Consumerium Services]] would adopt very different policies for each of its [[Wikis]]. For instance:		It is very likely that [[Consumerium Services]] would adopt very different policies for each of its [[Wikis]]. For instance:
	*the [[Develop Wiki]] could remain an ~~Anarchopedia~~-style [[anarchize]]d free-for-all, in keeping with the [[free software]] ideal, so [[anyone can undelete]] in this [[wiki]].		*the [[Develop Wiki]] could remain an Anarcopedia-style [[anarchize]]d free-for-all, in keeping with the [[free software]] ideal, so [[anyone can undelete]] in this [[wiki]].
	*[[Research Wiki]] might need to be run more like [[Wikipedia]] with a [[sysop power structure]] or [[bureaucracy]] that must [[refer]] any [[factionally defined term]]s (like "[[trolls]]") and [[defer]] to formal [[faction]] [[representative democracy]] to augment or replace the [[Pointy Haired Boss]] or [[GodKing]] who might still exist for legal reasons - to answer to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] for ''only'' [[liability]] issues. Unlike [[Wikipedia]] [[power user]]s could not delete the page entirely from view - it would simply be "demoted" to [[development]] status where [[disclaimer]]s would apply; [[page name conflict]] would be resolved in some way that made it instantly obvious one could find the page and so '''undelete''' it by putting it back up as [[research]]		*[[Research Wiki]] might need to be run more like [[Wikipedia]] with a [[sysop power structure]] or [[bureaucracy]] that must [[refer]] any [[factionally defined term]]s (like "[[trolls]]") and [[defer]] to formal [[faction]] [[representative democracy]] to augment or replace the [[Pointy Haired Boss]] or [[GodKing]] who might still exist for legal reasons - to answer to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] for ''only'' [[liability]] issues. Unlike [[Wikipedia]] [[power user]]s could not delete the page entirely from view - it would simply be "demoted" to [[development]] status where [[disclaimer]]s would apply; [[page name conflict]] would be resolved in some way that made it instantly obvious one could find the page and so '''undelete''' it by putting it back up as [[research]]
	*authorized [[Publish Wiki]] users might need an ability to simply [[delete page]]s that are controversially forwarded to it from the [[Research Wiki]] until [[legal counsel]] can clear or vet them - this would not delete the page entirely from view as it would remain visible as [[research]], so again any user could retrieve/restore that and so easily '''undelete page'''s.		*authorized [[Publish Wiki]] users might need an ability to simply [[delete page]]s that are controversially forwarded to it from the [[Research Wiki]] until [[legal counsel]] can clear or vet them - this would not delete the page entirely from view as it would remain visible as [[research]], so again any user could retrieve/restore that and so easily '''undelete page'''s.

	It is not clear if a [[one wiki model]] can do this at all or if it could have any policy that would satisfy every [[faction]].		It is not clear if a [[one wiki model]] can do this at all or if it could have any policy that would satisfy every [[faction]].

Jukeboksi: for the sake of sanity, wikipedia complies with GFDL as much as is possible - already agreed that it does not do so "de jure", but in the real world getting closer to the letter is not humanlypossible

2005-01-25T15:19:14Z

for the sake of sanity, wikipedia complies with GFDL as much as is possible - already agreed that it does not do so "de jure", but in the real world getting closer to the letter is not humanlypossible

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	*[[Disinfopedia]] has a strict [[command and control]] structure and its [[chief editor]] is the only one who can authorize an undelete page operation.		*[[Disinfopedia]] has a strict [[command and control]] structure and its [[chief editor]] is the only one who can authorize an undelete page operation.
	*[[Wikipedia]] has a mixed structure where the [[sysop power structure]] self-regulates, ineffectively, resulting in the [[sysop vandalism]] and [[sysop vandal point of view]] mostly dominating [[wiki management]] and [[wiki governance]] debate. Without the power to '''undelete page'''s it becomes difficult or impossible to participate in an [[edit war]] against those who do have it, reinforcing the [[Wikimedia]] [[cabal]]. ~~For instance [[issue]]s like the fact that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] are not addressed because they are not allowed to be addressed~~		*[[Wikipedia]] has a mixed structure where the [[sysop power structure]] self-regulates, ineffectively, resulting in the [[sysop vandalism]] and [[sysop vandal point of view]] mostly dominating [[wiki management]] and [[wiki governance]] debate. Without the power to '''undelete page'''s it becomes difficult or impossible to participate in an [[edit war]] against those who do have it, reinforcing the [[Wikimedia]] [[cabal]].

	*[[Anarchopedia]] distributes the power to '''undelete page'''s to all users, so that there is effectively no [[sysop power structure]] at all; [[ad hominem delete]] is this only very slightly more powerful than [[ad hominem revert]] as a means of curtailing debate, and no user can actually gain much power over any other in an [[edit war]].		*[[Anarchopedia]] distributes the power to '''undelete page'''s to all users, so that there is effectively no [[sysop power structure]] at all; [[ad hominem delete]] is this only very slightly more powerful than [[ad hominem revert]] as a means of curtailing debate, and no user can actually gain much power over any other in an [[edit war]].

	It is very likely that [[Consumerium Services]] would adopt ~~vey~~ different policies for each of its [[Wikis]]. For instance:		It is very likely that [[Consumerium Services]] would adopt very different policies for each of its [[Wikis]]. For instance:
	*the [[Develop Wiki]] could remain an Anarchopedia-style [[anarchize]]d free-for-all, in keeping with the [[free software]] ideal, so [[anyone can undelete]] in this [[wiki]].		*the [[Develop Wiki]] could remain an Anarchopedia-style [[anarchize]]d free-for-all, in keeping with the [[free software]] ideal, so [[anyone can undelete]] in this [[wiki]].
	*[[Research Wiki]] might need to be run more like [[Wikipedia]] with a [[sysop power structure]] or [[bureaucracy]] that must [[refer]] any [[factionally defined term]]s (like "[[trolls]]") and [[defer]] to formal [[faction]] [[representative democracy]] to augment or replace the [[Pointy Haired Boss]] or [[GodKing]] who might still exist for legal reasons - to answer to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] for ''only'' [[liability]] issues. Unlike [[Wikipedia]] [[power user]]s could not delete the page entirely from view - it would simply be "demoted" to [[development]] status where [[disclaimer]]s would apply; [[page name conflict]] would be resolved in some way that made it instantly obvious one could find the page and so '''undelete''' it by putting it back up as [[research]]		*[[Research Wiki]] might need to be run more like [[Wikipedia]] with a [[sysop power structure]] or [[bureaucracy]] that must [[refer]] any [[factionally defined term]]s (like "[[trolls]]") and [[defer]] to formal [[faction]] [[representative democracy]] to augment or replace the [[Pointy Haired Boss]] or [[GodKing]] who might still exist for legal reasons - to answer to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] for ''only'' [[liability]] issues. Unlike [[Wikipedia]] [[power user]]s could not delete the page entirely from view - it would simply be "demoted" to [[development]] status where [[disclaimer]]s would apply; [[page name conflict]] would be resolved in some way that made it instantly obvious one could find the page and so '''undelete''' it by putting it back up as [[research]]

142.177.10.21: the key difference between the three proposed wikis and the main reason to avoid a one wiki model

2005-01-24T15:37:33Z

the key difference between the three proposed wikis and the main reason to avoid a one wiki model

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The ability to '''undelete page'''s is the ability to [[undo]] a [[delete page]] decision.

Allocation of this [[technological escalation|technological]] power is a central power struggle in [[neutral point of view]] vs. [[New Troll point of view]] and in the prevention of [[sysop vandalism]]. There are starkly different views of it across different [[large public wiki]]s:

*[[Disinfopedia]] has a strict [[command and control]] structure and its [[chief editor]] is the only one who can authorize an undelete page operation.
*[[Wikipedia]] has a mixed structure where the [[sysop power structure]] self-regulates, ineffectively, resulting in the [[sysop vandalism]] and [[sysop vandal point of view]] mostly dominating [[wiki management]] and [[wiki governance]] debate. Without the power to '''undelete page'''s it becomes difficult or impossible to participate in an [[edit war]] against those who do have it, reinforcing the [[Wikimedia]] [[cabal]]. For instance [[issue]]s like the fact that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] are not addressed because they are not allowed to be addressed
*[[Anarchopedia]] distributes the power to '''undelete page'''s to all users, so that there is effectively no [[sysop power structure]] at all; [[ad hominem delete]] is this only very slightly more powerful than [[ad hominem revert]] as a means of curtailing debate, and no user can actually gain much power over any other in an [[edit war]].

It is very likely that [[Consumerium Services]] would adopt vey different policies for each of its [[Wikis]]. For instance:
*the [[Develop Wiki]] could remain an Anarchopedia-style [[anarchize]]d free-for-all, in keeping with the [[free software]] ideal, so [[anyone can undelete]] in this [[wiki]].
*[[Research Wiki]] might need to be run more like [[Wikipedia]] with a [[sysop power structure]] or [[bureaucracy]] that must [[refer]] any [[factionally defined term]]s (like "[[trolls]]") and [[defer]] to formal [[faction]] [[representative democracy]] to augment or replace the [[Pointy Haired Boss]] or [[GodKing]] who might still exist for legal reasons - to answer to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] for ''only'' [[liability]] issues. Unlike [[Wikipedia]] [[power user]]s could not delete the page entirely from view - it would simply be "demoted" to [[development]] status where [[disclaimer]]s would apply; [[page name conflict]] would be resolved in some way that made it instantly obvious one could find the page and so '''undelete''' it by putting it back up as [[research]]
*authorized [[Publish Wiki]] users might need an ability to simply [[delete page]]s that are controversially forwarded to it from the [[Research Wiki]] until [[legal counsel]] can clear or vet them - this would not delete the page entirely from view as it would remain visible as [[research]], so again any user could retrieve/restore that and so easily '''undelete page'''s.

It is not clear if a [[one wiki model]] can do this at all or if it could have any policy that would satisfy every [[faction]].