Text liberation - Revision history

142.177.93.9: you might be right under CC-by-sa, but not under GFDL

2004-09-01T18:28:34Z

you might be right under CC-by-sa, but not under GFDL

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	:I see this requirement for link back to [[wikipedia]] to be within the meaning of the letter of [[GFDL]] license, it may not be proper in [[w:de jure\|de jure]] sense, but as a [[w:de facto\|de facto]] practice I personally have no problem with this and I do side on Daniel Mayer's side simply because when we get [[Consumerium]] running I have no problem with people forking off Consumerium if they just acknowldge that the text originated from Consumerium. Fair enough? --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 16:36, 1 Sep 2004 (EEST)		:I see this requirement for link back to [[wikipedia]] to be within the meaning of the letter of [[GFDL]] license, it may not be proper in [[w:de jure\|de jure]] sense, but as a [[w:de facto\|de facto]] practice I personally have no problem with this and I do side on Daniel Mayer's side simply because when we get [[Consumerium]] running I have no problem with people forking off Consumerium if they just acknowldge that the text originated from Consumerium. Fair enough? --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 16:36, 1 Sep 2004 (EEST)

			::That is what the [[CC-by-sa]] would require. It is not what the [[GFDL]] requires. You would be right if all of [[Wikipedia]] and indeed the whole [[GFDL corpus]] was in fact [[CC-by-sa]]. But it isn't. And "not proper in the [[w:de jure\|de jure]] sense" means the [[trolls]] will win in court when they push the point. Which they will, given all the [[libel]] they've endured from [[Sysop Vandal point of view\|Mayer and his ilk]]. Face it, the behavior of [[Wikimedia]] is absolutely preventing any serious use of the [[GFDL corpus]] and preventing serious scholars from taking an interest in it. They are making up their own version of the law, and [[CGO]] must ''not'' do that.

	''See [[troll-sysop struggle]] for the usual rhetoric of this liberation stuff and what [[trolls]] propose to do about this corruption to end it forever.''		''See [[troll-sysop struggle]] for the usual rhetoric of this liberation stuff and what [[trolls]] propose to do about this corruption to end it forever.''

	'''Troll text''' is text that has been specifically useful in [[troll-sysop struggle]] to justify continued resistance to [[sysop power structure]]. In other words, anyone ("[[troll-friendlies]]") who actually repeats or restores any of it automatically will be regarded "as a [[troll]]" with whatever [[stigma]] or [[honour]] that implies. This text is heavily scrutinized and tends to be very well vetted - because so many people who spend all their time editing tend to focus on it and try to find fault with it. It is thus usually the most reliable text in any [[large public wiki]] and has gone through more evolution under more pressure.		'''Troll text''' is text that has been specifically useful in [[troll-sysop struggle]] to justify continued resistance to [[sysop power structure]]. In other words, anyone ("[[troll-friendlies]]") who actually repeats or restores any of it automatically will be regarded "as a [[troll]]" with whatever [[stigma]] or [[honour]] that implies. This text is heavily scrutinized and tends to be very well vetted - because so many people who spend all their time editing tend to focus on it and try to find fault with it. It is thus usually the most reliable text in any [[large public wiki]] and has gone through more evolution under more pressure.

Jukeboksi: a defense of wikipedia's interpretation of GFDL in practice

2004-09-01T13:36:25Z

a defense of wikipedia's interpretation of GFDL in practice

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	Some of these defy [[Wikimedia corruption]] and refuse to submit to [[GFDL violation\|demands for link-backs that are unwarranted under the actual license of contributions]]. These [[link-back]]s would not be required to satisfy [[attribution]] requirements if [[Wikipedia]] actually exported the names of five primary authors as the [[GFDL]] itself requires. So a refusal to meet GFDL's actual terms, which would require export of those five names in '''''any''''' printed or exported version, is used as a shallow excuse to demand concessions from others that makes [[Wikipedia]] the central [[GFDL corpus access provider]]. It is actually hard to imagine a better example of corruption. It is no coincidence that [[Daniel Mayer]] writes those demanding letters, either.		Some of these defy [[Wikimedia corruption]] and refuse to submit to [[GFDL violation\|demands for link-backs that are unwarranted under the actual license of contributions]]. These [[link-back]]s would not be required to satisfy [[attribution]] requirements if [[Wikipedia]] actually exported the names of five primary authors as the [[GFDL]] itself requires. So a refusal to meet GFDL's actual terms, which would require export of those five names in '''''any''''' printed or exported version, is used as a shallow excuse to demand concessions from others that makes [[Wikipedia]] the central [[GFDL corpus access provider]]. It is actually hard to imagine a better example of corruption. It is no coincidence that [[Daniel Mayer]] writes those demanding letters, either.

			:I see this requirement for link back to [[wikipedia]] to be within the meaning of the letter of [[GFDL]] license, it may not be proper in [[w:de jure\|de jure]] sense, but as a [[w:de facto\|de facto]] practice I personally have no problem with this and I do side on Daniel Mayer's side simply because when we get [[Consumerium]] running I have no problem with people forking off Consumerium if they just acknowldge that the text originated from Consumerium. Fair enough? --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 16:36, 1 Sep 2004 (EEST)

	''See [[troll-sysop struggle]] for the usual rhetoric of this liberation stuff and what [[trolls]] propose to do about this corruption to end it forever.''		''See [[troll-sysop struggle]] for the usual rhetoric of this liberation stuff and what [[trolls]] propose to do about this corruption to end it forever.''

	'''Troll text''' is text that has been specifically useful in [[troll-sysop struggle]] to justify continued resistance to [[sysop power structure]]. In other words, anyone ("[[troll-friendlies]]") who actually repeats or restores any of it automatically will be regarded "as a [[troll]]" with whatever [[stigma]] or [[honour]] that implies. This text is heavily scrutinized and tends to be very well vetted - because so many people who spend all their time editing tend to focus on it and try to find fault with it. It is thus usually the most reliable text in any [[large public wiki]] and has gone through more evolution under more pressure.		'''Troll text''' is text that has been specifically useful in [[troll-sysop struggle]] to justify continued resistance to [[sysop power structure]]. In other words, anyone ("[[troll-friendlies]]") who actually repeats or restores any of it automatically will be regarded "as a [[troll]]" with whatever [[stigma]] or [[honour]] that implies. This text is heavily scrutinized and tends to be very well vetted - because so many people who spend all their time editing tend to focus on it and try to find fault with it. It is thus usually the most reliable text in any [[large public wiki]] and has gone through more evolution under more pressure.

142.177.114.60: fixing scope of brackets

2004-08-31T22:16:57Z

fixing scope of brackets

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	'''Text liberation''' is the [[free circulation of fiction]] subject only to one's own self-chosen [[repute]] and [[trust]] constraints. It cannot ever be reconciled with [[sysop vandalism]] or some [[priestly hierarchy]] that uses its [[technological escalation\|control of technology and domain names to also control information]]. [[AlterNIC]] and [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] are or were two attempts to achieve text liberation, of [[TLD]] and [[GFDL corpus]] respectively. It continues via various [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s.		'''Text liberation''' is the [[free circulation of fiction]] subject only to one's own self-chosen [[repute]] and [[trust]] constraints. It cannot ever be reconciled with [[sysop vandalism]] or some [[priestly hierarchy]] that uses its [[technological escalation\|control of technology and domain names to also control information]]. [[AlterNIC]] and [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] are or were two attempts to achieve text liberation, of [[TLD]] and [[GFDL corpus]] respectively. It continues via various [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s.

	Some of these defy [[Wikimedia corruption]] and refuse to submit to [[GFDL violation\|demands for [[link-~~back]]s~~ that are unwarranted under the actual license of contributions]]. These link-~~backs~~ would not be required to satisfy [[attribution]] requirements if [[Wikipedia]] actually exported the names of five primary authors as the [[GFDL]] itself requires. So a refusal to meet GFDL's actual terms, which would require export of those five names in '''''any''''' printed or exported version, is used as a shallow excuse to demand concessions from others that makes [[Wikipedia]] the central [[GFDL corpus access provider]]. It is actually hard to imagine a better example of corruption. It is no coincidence that [[Daniel Mayer]] writes those demanding letters, either.		Some of these defy [[Wikimedia corruption]] and refuse to submit to [[GFDL violation\|demands for link-backs that are unwarranted under the actual license of contributions]]. These [[link-back]]s would not be required to satisfy [[attribution]] requirements if [[Wikipedia]] actually exported the names of five primary authors as the [[GFDL]] itself requires. So a refusal to meet GFDL's actual terms, which would require export of those five names in '''''any''''' printed or exported version, is used as a shallow excuse to demand concessions from others that makes [[Wikipedia]] the central [[GFDL corpus access provider]]. It is actually hard to imagine a better example of corruption. It is no coincidence that [[Daniel Mayer]] writes those demanding letters, either.

	''See [[troll-sysop struggle]] for the usual rhetoric of this liberation stuff and what [[trolls]] propose to do about this corruption to end it forever.''		''See [[troll-sysop struggle]] for the usual rhetoric of this liberation stuff and what [[trolls]] propose to do about this corruption to end it forever.''

	'''Troll text''' is text that has been specifically useful in [[troll-sysop struggle]] to justify continued resistance to [[sysop power structure]]. In other words, anyone ("[[troll-friendlies]]") who actually repeats or restores any of it automatically will be regarded "as a [[troll]]" with whatever [[stigma]] or [[honour]] that implies. This text is heavily scrutinized and tends to be very well vetted - because so many people who spend all their time editing tend to focus on it and try to find fault with it. It is thus usually the most reliable text in any [[large public wiki]] and has gone through more evolution under more pressure.		'''Troll text''' is text that has been specifically useful in [[troll-sysop struggle]] to justify continued resistance to [[sysop power structure]]. In other words, anyone ("[[troll-friendlies]]") who actually repeats or restores any of it automatically will be regarded "as a [[troll]]" with whatever [[stigma]] or [[honour]] that implies. This text is heavily scrutinized and tends to be very well vetted - because so many people who spend all their time editing tend to focus on it and try to find fault with it. It is thus usually the most reliable text in any [[large public wiki]] and has gone through more evolution under more pressure.

142.177.114.60: removing redundancy, naming "Wikimedia officer" responsible for this particular tactic

2004-08-31T22:16:21Z

removing redundancy, naming "Wikimedia officer" responsible for this particular tactic

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	'''Text liberation''' is the [[free circulation of fiction]] subject only to one's own self-chosen [[repute]] and [[trust]] constraints. It cannot ever be reconciled with [[sysop vandalism]] or some [[priestly hierarchy]] that uses its [[technological escalation\|control of technology and domain names to also control information]]. [[AlterNIC]] and [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] are or were two attempts to achieve text liberation, of [[TLD]] and [[GFDL corpus]] respectively. It continues via various [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s.		'''Text liberation''' is the [[free circulation of fiction]] subject only to one's own self-chosen [[repute]] and [[trust]] constraints. It cannot ever be reconciled with [[sysop vandalism]] or some [[priestly hierarchy]] that uses its [[technological escalation\|control of technology and domain names to also control information]]. [[AlterNIC]] and [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] are or were two attempts to achieve text liberation, of [[TLD]] and [[GFDL corpus]] respectively. It continues via various [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s.

	Some of these defy [[Wikimedia corruption]] and refuse to submit to [[GFDL violation\|demands for [[link-back]]s that are unwarranted under the actual license of contributions]]. These [[link-~~back]]s~~ would not be required to satisfy [[attribution]] requirements if [[Wikipedia]] actually exported the names of five primary authors as the [[GFDL ~~license~~]] itself requires. So a refusal to meet ~~the [[~~GFDL]]'s terms is used as an excuse to demand concessions from others that makes [[Wikipedia]] the central [[GFDL corpus access provider]]. It is actually hard to imagine a better example of corruption.		Some of these defy [[Wikimedia corruption]] and refuse to submit to [[GFDL violation\|demands for [[link-back]]s that are unwarranted under the actual license of contributions]]. These link-backs would not be required to satisfy [[attribution]] requirements if [[Wikipedia]] actually exported the names of five primary authors as the [[GFDL]] itself requires. So a refusal to meet GFDL's actual terms, which would require export of those five names in '''''any''''' printed or exported version, is used as a shallow excuse to demand concessions from others that makes [[Wikipedia]] the central [[GFDL corpus access provider]]. It is actually hard to imagine a better example of corruption. It is no coincidence that [[Daniel Mayer]] writes those demanding letters, either.

	''See [[troll-sysop struggle]] for the usual rhetoric of this liberation stuff and what [[trolls]] propose to do about this corruption to end it forever.''		''See [[troll-sysop struggle]] for the usual rhetoric of this liberation stuff and what [[trolls]] propose to do about this corruption to end it forever.''

	'''Troll text''' is text that has been specifically useful in [[troll-sysop struggle]] to justify continued resistance to [[sysop power structure]]. In other words, anyone ("[[troll-friendlies]]") who actually repeats or restores any of it automatically will be regarded "as a [[troll]]" with whatever [[stigma]] or [[honour]] that implies. This text is heavily scrutinized and tends to be very well vetted - because so many people who spend all their time editing tend to focus on it and try to find fault with it. It is thus usually the most reliable text in any [[large public wiki]] and has gone through more evolution under more pressure.		'''Troll text''' is text that has been specifically useful in [[troll-sysop struggle]] to justify continued resistance to [[sysop power structure]]. In other words, anyone ("[[troll-friendlies]]") who actually repeats or restores any of it automatically will be regarded "as a [[troll]]" with whatever [[stigma]] or [[honour]] that implies. This text is heavily scrutinized and tends to be very well vetted - because so many people who spend all their time editing tend to focus on it and try to find fault with it. It is thus usually the most reliable text in any [[large public wiki]] and has gone through more evolution under more pressure.

142.177.114.60: responding to bogus Wikimedia corruption claim that their failure to meet one GFDL condition can be used as an excuse to require back-links from others

2004-08-31T22:14:38Z

responding to bogus Wikimedia corruption claim that their failure to meet one GFDL condition can be used as an excuse to require back-links from others

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	'''Text liberation''' is the [[free circulation of fiction]] subject only to one's own self-chosen [[repute]] and [[trust]] constraints. It cannot ever be reconciled with [[sysop vandalism]] or some [[priestly hierarchy]] that uses its [[technological escalation\|control of technology and domain names to also control information]]. [[AlterNIC]] and [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] are or were two attempts to achieve text liberation, of [[TLD]] and [[GFDL corpus]] respectively. It continues via various [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s ~~that defy [[Wikimedia corruption]]~~.		'''Text liberation''' is the [[free circulation of fiction]] subject only to one's own self-chosen [[repute]] and [[trust]] constraints. It cannot ever be reconciled with [[sysop vandalism]] or some [[priestly hierarchy]] that uses its [[technological escalation\|control of technology and domain names to also control information]]. [[AlterNIC]] and [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] are or were two attempts to achieve text liberation, of [[TLD]] and [[GFDL corpus]] respectively. It continues via various [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s.

	~~''See~~ [[~~troll~~-~~sysop struggle~~]] ~~for~~ the ~~usual rhetoric~~ of ~~this liberation stuff~~.''		Some of these defy [[Wikimedia corruption]] and refuse to submit to [[GFDL violation\|demands for [[link-back]]s that are unwarranted under the actual license of contributions]]. These [[link-back]]s would not be required to satisfy [[attribution]] requirements if [[Wikipedia]] actually exported the names of five primary authors as the [[GFDL license]] itself requires. So a refusal to meet the [[GFDL]]'s terms is used as an excuse to demand concessions from others that makes [[Wikipedia]] the central [[GFDL corpus access provider]]. It is actually hard to imagine a better example of corruption.

	'''Troll text''' is text that has been specifically useful in [[troll-sysop struggle]] to justify continued resistance to [[sysop power structure]]. In other words, anyone who actually repeats or restores any of it automatically will be regarded "as a [[troll]]" with whatever [[stigma]] or [[honour]] that implies. This text is heavily scrutinized and tends to be very well vetted - because so many people who spend all their time editing tend to focus on it and try to find fault with it. It is thus usually the most reliable text in any [[large public wiki]] and has gone through more evolution under more pressure.		''See [[troll-sysop struggle]] for the usual rhetoric of this liberation stuff and what [[trolls]] propose to do about this corruption to end it forever.''

			'''Troll text''' is text that has been specifically useful in [[troll-sysop struggle]] to justify continued resistance to [[sysop power structure]]. In other words, anyone ("[[troll-friendlies]]") who actually repeats or restores any of it automatically will be regarded "as a [[troll]]" with whatever [[stigma]] or [[honour]] that implies. This text is heavily scrutinized and tends to be very well vetted - because so many people who spend all their time editing tend to focus on it and try to find fault with it. It is thus usually the most reliable text in any [[large public wiki]] and has gone through more evolution under more pressure.

Jukeboksi: actually the "link-back" requirement is essential for obtaining the "five primary editors" information through page-history function

2004-08-31T10:48:51Z

actually the "link-back" requirement is essential for obtaining the "five primary editors" information through page-history function

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	'''Text liberation''' is the [[free circulation of fiction]] subject only to one's own self-chosen [[repute]] and [[trust]] constraints. It cannot ever be reconciled with [[sysop vandalism]] or some [[priestly hierarchy]] that uses its [[technological escalation\|control of technology and domain names to also control information]]. [[AlterNIC]] and [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] are or were two attempts to achieve text liberation, of [[TLD]] and [[GFDL corpus]] respectively. It continues via various [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s that defy [[Wikimedia corruption~~]] and refuse to submit to [[GFDL violation\|demands for link-backs that are unwarranted under the actual license of contributions~~]].		'''Text liberation''' is the [[free circulation of fiction]] subject only to one's own self-chosen [[repute]] and [[trust]] constraints. It cannot ever be reconciled with [[sysop vandalism]] or some [[priestly hierarchy]] that uses its [[technological escalation\|control of technology and domain names to also control information]]. [[AlterNIC]] and [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] are or were two attempts to achieve text liberation, of [[TLD]] and [[GFDL corpus]] respectively. It continues via various [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s that defy [[Wikimedia corruption]].

	''See [[troll-sysop struggle]] for the usual rhetoric of this liberation stuff.''		''See [[troll-sysop struggle]] for the usual rhetoric of this liberation stuff.''

	'''Troll text''' is text that has been specifically useful in [[troll-sysop struggle]] to justify continued resistance to [[sysop power structure]]. In other words, anyone who actually repeats or restores any of it automatically will be regarded "as a [[troll]]" with whatever [[stigma]] or [[honour]] that implies. This text is heavily scrutinized and tends to be very well vetted - because so many people who spend all their time editing tend to focus on it and try to find fault with it. It is thus usually the most reliable text in any [[large public wiki]] and has gone through more evolution under more pressure.		'''Troll text''' is text that has been specifically useful in [[troll-sysop struggle]] to justify continued resistance to [[sysop power structure]]. In other words, anyone who actually repeats or restores any of it automatically will be regarded "as a [[troll]]" with whatever [[stigma]] or [[honour]] that implies. This text is heavily scrutinized and tends to be very well vetted - because so many people who spend all their time editing tend to focus on it and try to find fault with it. It is thus usually the most reliable text in any [[large public wiki]] and has gone through more evolution under more pressure.

142.177.103.156 at 20:17, 30 August 2004

2004-08-30T20:17:20Z

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	'''Text liberation''' is the [[free circulation of fiction]] subject only to one's own self-chosen [[repute]] and [[trust]] constraints. It cannot ever be reconciled with [[sysop vandalism]] or some [[priestly hierarchy]] that uses its [[technological escalation\|control of technology and domain names to also control information]]. [[AlterNIC]] and [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] are or were two attempts to achieve text liberation, of [[TLD]] and [[GFDL corpus]] respectively. It continues via various [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s that defy [[Wikimedia corruption]] and refuse to submit to [[GFDL violation\|demands for link-backs that are unwarranted under the actual license of contributions]].		'''Text liberation''' is the [[free circulation of fiction]] subject only to one's own self-chosen [[repute]] and [[trust]] constraints. It cannot ever be reconciled with [[sysop vandalism]] or some [[priestly hierarchy]] that uses its [[technological escalation\|control of technology and domain names to also control information]]. [[AlterNIC]] and [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] are or were two attempts to achieve text liberation, of [[TLD]] and [[GFDL corpus]] respectively. It continues via various [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s that defy [[Wikimedia corruption]] and refuse to submit to [[GFDL violation\|demands for link-backs that are unwarranted under the actual license of contributions]].

	See [[troll-sysop struggle]] for the usual rhetoric of this liberation stuff.		''See [[troll-sysop struggle]] for the usual rhetoric of this liberation stuff.''

			'''Troll text''' is text that has been specifically useful in [[troll-sysop struggle]] to justify continued resistance to [[sysop power structure]]. In other words, anyone who actually repeats or restores any of it automatically will be regarded "as a [[troll]]" with whatever [[stigma]] or [[honour]] that implies. This text is heavily scrutinized and tends to be very well vetted - because so many people who spend all their time editing tend to focus on it and try to find fault with it. It is thus usually the most reliable text in any [[large public wiki]] and has gone through more evolution under more pressure.

142.177.103.156 at 20:13, 30 August 2004

2004-08-30T20:13:00Z

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'''Text liberation''' is the [[free circulation of fiction]] subject only to one's own self-chosen [[repute]] and [[trust]] constraints. It cannot ever be reconciled with [[sysop vandalism]] or some [[priestly hierarchy]] that uses its [[technological escalation|control of technology and domain names to also control information]]. [[AlterNIC]] and [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] are or were two attempts to achieve text liberation, of [[TLD]] and [[GFDL corpus]] respectively. It continues via various [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s that defy [[Wikimedia corruption]] and refuse to submit to [[GFDL violation|demands for link-backs that are unwarranted under the actual license of contributions]].

See [[troll-sysop struggle]] for the usual rhetoric of this liberation stuff.