Talk:Sourceforge - Revision history

142.177.112.86: none of this has anything to do with Sourceforge - moved to licensed deliverables]]

2003-06-09T00:22:17Z

none of this has anything to do with Sourceforge - moved to licensed deliverables]]

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	:This I must think about. Offhandedly you're not making any sense, but on the other hand this tingles as an interesting idea. Proprietary markup as an advantage... outrageous.		:This I must think about. Offhandedly you're not making any sense, but on the other hand this tingles as an interesting idea. Proprietary markup as an advantage... outrageous.

	That problem will solve itself if you get the license and XML schema good enough to create a self-improving protocol. There are many good coders, but they do not contribute to projects where others of different values are allowed to just do damage to their code or twist it to be useful to their enemies. All code is political. Look at WAR FTP if you want ~~to see examples of quality that is produced by values consistency. That is ideal level of protocol coding...~~		That problem will solve itself if you get the license and XML schema good enough to create a self-improving protocol. There are many good coders, but they do not contribute to projects where others of different values are allowed to just do damage to their code or twist it to be useful to their enemies. All code is political. Look at WAR FTP if you want t

	::hmmm.... come to think of it, the original idea of applying [[Structured data]] to accomondate [[heterogenous]] communication and participation... I must be crazy. [[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 00:03 Jun 9, 2003 (EEST)

Jukeboksi: We should switch from TCP/IP to the ISO/OSI network protocol stack model. NOW!!! ;)

2003-06-09T00:03:18Z

We should switch from TCP/IP to the ISO/OSI network protocol stack model. NOW!!! ;)

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			Dividing the project into three parts:

	**Three - the [[XML DTD]] and an [[ASN.1]] minimal bitstream protocol which make the same data distinctions; [[Executable]]s which implement this protocol and data model / [[schema]] / [[foundation ontology]]; [[Label data]] which can and must be consistently gathered and is what is subject to [[audit]] most often - there will be a need to withdraw support from labels that are just propaganda and say nothing about actual impact on real bodies. We only need XML for now as all executables and labels data gathering will take place via very many means, one per faction say. These may create their own [[consortium]] with their own [[consortium license]], e.g. [[Greens]] will not let weapons companies use theirs.		*[[XML/DTD]] and [[XML/Schema]]
			*[[ASN.1]] minimal bitstream protocol which make the same data distinctions;
			::ASN.1, some ITU/ISO formal notation from the eighties! Gimme a break. I mean that the ISO/OSI 7-layer network protocol stack works just great on paper and everything, but somehow everybody seems to just use TCP/IP, eventhough it doesn't have a mammoth of an standards organisation saying that it works.

			*[[Executable]]s which implement this protocol and data model / [[schema]] / [[foundation ontology]]; [[Label data]] which can and must be consistently gathered and is what is subject to [[audit]] most often - there will be a need to withdraw support from labels that are just propaganda and say nothing about actual impact on real bodies.
			::I could say that I don't care if some [[label]] is just propaganda and I don't want to judge what is just brainwashing and what is not. I want to get a system running that allows people and organisations that have [[expertese]] and historical, [[built trust]] in things like [[audit]], [[anti-brainwashing techniques]], [[fair]] [[economy]] and [[safe]] [[economy]] to have their say.

			:I ultimatelly mean that [[centrally controlled economy]] has already been tested and I recall that it didn't do so well, so I'd rather not see people trying to turn [[Consumerium]] into the [[Pravda]] (or [[centrally controlled information economy]]) of the [[market economy]].

			We only need XML for now as all executables and labels data gathering will take place via very many means, one per faction say. These may create their own [[consortium]] with their own [[consortium license]], e.g. [[Greens]] will not let weapons companies use theirs.

			:This I must think about. Offhandedly you're not making any sense, but on the other hand this tingles as an interesting idea. Proprietary markup as an advantage... outrageous.

			That problem will solve itself if you get the license and XML schema good enough to create a self-improving protocol. There are many good coders, but they do not contribute to projects where others of different values are allowed to just do damage to their code or twist it to be useful to their enemies. All code is political. Look at WAR FTP if you want to see examples of quality that is produced by values consistency. That is ideal level of protocol coding...

			::hmmm.... come to think of it, the original idea of applying [[Structured data]] to accomondate [[heterogenous]] communication and participation... I must be crazy. [[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 00:03 Jun 9, 2003 (EEST)

Jukeboksi: moving some stuff here to discuss it

2003-06-08T23:38:52Z

moving some stuff here to discuss it

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**Three - the [[XML DTD]] and an [[ASN.1]] minimal bitstream protocol which make the same data distinctions; [[Executable]]s which implement this protocol and data model / [[schema]] / [[foundation ontology]]; [[Label data]] which can and must be consistently gathered and is what is subject to [[audit]] most often - there will be a need to withdraw support from labels that are just propaganda and say nothing about actual impact on real bodies. We only need XML for now as all executables and labels data gathering will take place via very many means, one per faction say. These may create their own [[consortium]] with their own [[consortium license]], e.g. [[Greens]] will not let weapons companies use theirs.