Talk:Service cycle - Revision history

142.177.94.20: Develop->Research->Publish->Signal->Feedback->Develop

2004-03-30T23:51:48Z

Develop->Research->Publish->Signal->Feedback->Develop

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	:The whole management ([[govenance]]) issue boils down to "What is the [[Consumerium Process]]".		:The whole management ([[govenance]]) issue boils down to "What is the [[Consumerium Process]]".

			:::Neatly stated as "Develop->Research->Publish->Signal->Feedback->Develop" [[service cycle]] of [[Consumerium:Itself]].

	Since the services are what we want to represent, and the access must happen as decisions are made about the services, and then the process is trying to keep those decisions up to date with current assertions about the services, it seems we probably have to go in that order.		Since the services are what we want to represent, and the access must happen as decisions are made about the services, and then the process is trying to keep those decisions up to date with current assertions about the services, it seems we probably have to go in that order.

	:see above about [[Checkout Consumerium]]: '''buy, examine, re-evaluate, buy different''' --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 15:03, 16 Mar 2004 (EET)		:see above about [[Checkout Consumerium]]: '''buy, examine, re-evaluate, buy different''' --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 15:03, 16 Mar 2004 (EET)

142.177.97.163: Dan wants print, trolls want audio, Juxo wants video - which one has the speed or other performance requirements? how about a poll of which one users "want"?

2004-03-20T19:32:24Z

Dan wants print, trolls want audio, Juxo wants video - which one has the speed or other performance requirements? how about a poll of which one users "want"?

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	:::Awww. Gimme a break with this audio. We are living in such a '''signal infested''' world that I really don't want any audio widgets to guide shopping.		:::Awww. Gimme a break with this audio. We are living in such a '''signal infested''' world that I really don't want any audio widgets to guide shopping.

			::::It doesn't matter what YOU want. Perhaps uncomfortable signals or just encouraging words have the psychological impact whether you want it or not, and failure is inevitable until they are there. But if it matters what you awnt, it matters also what [[DanKeshet]] wants, and he wants [[print]]. So we have one advocate each for [[audio]], [[video]], and [[Paper Consumerium]]. But [[audio]] has the [[speed]] edge. And that's going to be the most critical of all [[performance requirements]]. Which is exactly why you deleted that file, we trolls suspect. It's a typical form of [[sysop]] power abuse, which is, delete the requirements you know you can't meet. It's done even in big hardware companies! Usually this only destroys companies. But the [[Lowest Troll]] should be more careful, as it might in this case destroy rainforests.

	and only then what [[Consumerium Process]] is.		and only then what [[Consumerium Process]] is.

Jukeboksi: Awww. Gimme a break with this audio...

2004-03-17T20:33:50Z

Awww. Gimme a break with this audio...

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	::No, the easiest system for that is a tiny box that gets added on to the cash register via some primitive serial port, and updates your [[Consumerium Card]] or prints [[Consumerium Coupon\|special coupons to help you change your buying habits]]. As the cash register rings up what was actually bought, the green or red light goes off on the box, and you hear a sound praising or razzing you - [[audio]], remember? Most people will do anything to be praised in an appealing voice.		::No, the easiest system for that is a tiny box that gets added on to the cash register via some primitive serial port, and updates your [[Consumerium Card]] or prints [[Consumerium Coupon\|special coupons to help you change your buying habits]]. As the cash register rings up what was actually bought, the green or red light goes off on the box, and you hear a sound praising or razzing you - [[audio]], remember? Most people will do anything to be praised in an appealing voice.

			:::Awww. Gimme a break with this audio. We are living in such a '''signal infested''' world that I really don't want any audio widgets to guide shopping.

142.177.108.83: no, simple is simpler

2004-03-16T21:10:21Z

no, simple is simpler

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	and only then can we figure out when [[Consumerium Service access]] happens,		and only then can we figure out when [[Consumerium Service access]] happens,

	:It seems clearer that [[Checkout Consumerium]] is likely the first '''in-store''' [[Consumerium Service]] to be made available. We should start researching the field of [[retail systems]], who makes them, how are they integrated, what kind of platform and what software they run. I guess the [[w:Linux\|Linux]]-players are more likely to be on the same wave-lenght as us. [[NFC]] systems embedded into mobile phones and checkout terminals would be the lowest-tech solution that would enable [[consumers]] to access [[Consumerium Services]] with ease at home or in the office by examining what they just bought and then adjust their buying pattern accordingly.		:It seems clearer that [[Checkout Consumerium]] is likely the first '''in-store''' [[Consumerium Service]] to be made available. We should start researching the field of [[retail systems]], who makes them, how are they integrated, what kind of platform and what software they run. I guess the [[w:Linux\|Linux]]-players are more likely to be on the same wave-lenght as us.

			::No, they are not there. Look at [[cash register]] makers. It's easier to deal with 3 global cash register makers than 3000000 [[free software]] geeks, each one of which has his own ideology and version of Linux. Hmm talk about [[bad copy problem]]!

			[[NFC]] systems embedded into mobile phones and checkout terminals would be the lowest-tech solution that would enable [[consumers]] to access [[Consumerium Services]] with ease at home or in the office by examining what they just bought and then adjust their buying pattern accordingly.

			::No, the easiest system for that is a tiny box that gets added on to the cash register via some primitive serial port, and updates your [[Consumerium Card]] or prints [[Consumerium Coupon\|special coupons to help you change your buying habits]]. As the cash register rings up what was actually bought, the green or red light goes off on the box, and you hear a sound praising or razzing you - [[audio]], remember? Most people will do anything to be praised in an appealing voice.


	and only then what [[Consumerium Process]] is.		and only then what [[Consumerium Process]] is.

Jukeboksi: anwsers and challenges to us

2004-03-16T13:03:35Z

anwsers and challenges to us

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	Maybe this must be figured out in depth first, filled in, and only then can we figure out when [[Consumerium Service access]] happens, and only then what [[Consumerium Process]] is. Since the services are what we want to represent, and the access must happen as decisions are made about the services, and then the process is trying to keep those decisions up to date with current assertions about the services, it seems we probably have to go in that order.		Maybe this must be figured out in depth first, filled in,

			:Yes. It must be investigated '''under which kinds of terms''' and '''what reliability''' this information is available from [[companies]] and what must our [[Consumerium:Researcher\|Researcher]]s find out. Many companies do in-house studies on these issues and report them as [[environmental report]]s and [[social report]]s similar to [[fiscal report]]s
			:What is a '''feasible level''' of [[Service cycle]] information we '''aim to provide the [[consumer]]''' with.

			and only then can we figure out when [[Consumerium Service access]] happens,

			:It seems clearer that [[Checkout Consumerium]] is likely the first '''in-store''' [[Consumerium Service]] to be made available. We should start researching the field of [[retail systems]], who makes them, how are they integrated, what kind of platform and what software they run. I guess the [[w:Linux\|Linux]]-players are more likely to be on the same wave-lenght as us. [[NFC]] systems embedded into mobile phones and checkout terminals would be the lowest-tech solution that would enable [[consumers]] to access [[Consumerium Services]] with ease at home or in the office by examining what they just bought and then adjust their buying pattern accordingly.

			and only then what [[Consumerium Process]] is.

			:The whole management ([[govenance]]) issue boils down to "What is the [[Consumerium Process]]".

			Since the services are what we want to represent, and the access must happen as decisions are made about the services, and then the process is trying to keep those decisions up to date with current assertions about the services, it seems we probably have to go in that order.

			:see above about [[Checkout Consumerium]]: '''buy, examine, re-evaluate, buy different''' --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 15:03, 16 Mar 2004 (EET)

142.177.99.81 at 00:39, 16 March 2004

2004-03-16T00:39:54Z

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Maybe this must be figured out in depth first, filled in, and only then can we figure out when [[Consumerium Service access]] happens, and only then what [[Consumerium Process]] is. Since the services are what we want to represent, and the access must happen as decisions are made about the services, and then the process is trying to keep those decisions up to date with current assertions about the services, it seems we probably have to go in that order.