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		<title>142.177.94.118 at 22:24, 14 March 2004</title>
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		<updated>2004-03-14T22:24:52Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 22:24, 14 March 2004&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l3&quot;&gt;Line 3:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:So shouldn&amp;#039;t THIS ([[Development Wiki]]) be the [[Sense Wiki]] since here are the rules and rationale decided upon which turn [[Noise Wiki|Noises]] (from The [[Research Wiki]]) into [[Signal Wiki|Signals]] --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 22:51, 14 Mar 2004 (EET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:So shouldn&amp;#039;t THIS ([[Development Wiki]]) be the [[Sense Wiki]] since here are the rules and rationale decided upon which turn [[Noise Wiki|Noises]] (from The [[Research Wiki]]) into [[Signal Wiki|Signals]] --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 22:51, 14 Mar 2004 (EET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::No, because developers are basically just noise-makers and noise-filterers.  (all serious [[software development concepts]] acknowledge chaos, and the eight-arrowed chaos logo should be the development/noise wiki logo!).  It is the researchers who provide the sense, the sniffing out, the intelligence.  The world doesn&#039;t work by rules.  It is chaos, and [[trolls]] simply direct the chaos by organizing it into [[faction]]s and [[campaign]]s, but it stays chaos.  Any sense comes from the researchers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::No, because developers are basically just noise-makers and noise-filterers.  (all serious [[software development concepts]] acknowledge chaos, and the eight-arrowed chaos logo should be the development/noise wiki logo!).  It is the researchers who provide the sense, the sniffing out, the intelligence.  The world doesn&#039;t work by rules.  It is chaos, and [[trolls]] simply direct the chaos by organizing it into [[faction]]s and [[campaign]]s, but it stays chaos.  Any sense comes from the researchers&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;.  And rubber-stamping it as &quot;OK this is a [[Consumerium buying signal|signal]]&quot; is an editorial decision, not anything objective.  Let&#039;s not buy into the [http://recyclopedia.info/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=risk_society en: Recyclopedia: risk society] concept of reality, where somehow there are rational top-down rules that are objectively applied.  There aren&#039;t, and there never will be&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>142.177.94.118: nah, development is chaos.</title>
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		<updated>2004-03-14T22:23:23Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;nah, development is chaos.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:So shouldn&amp;#039;t THIS ([[Development Wiki]]) be the [[Sense Wiki]] since here are the rules and rationale decided upon which turn [[Noise Wiki|Noises]] (from The [[Research Wiki]]) into [[Signal Wiki|Signals]] --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 22:51, 14 Mar 2004 (EET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:So shouldn&amp;#039;t THIS ([[Development Wiki]]) be the [[Sense Wiki]] since here are the rules and rationale decided upon which turn [[Noise Wiki|Noises]] (from The [[Research Wiki]]) into [[Signal Wiki|Signals]] --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 22:51, 14 Mar 2004 (EET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::No, because developers are basically just noise-makers and noise-filterers.  (all serious [[software development concepts]] acknowledge chaos, and the eight-arrowed chaos logo should be the development/noise wiki logo!).  It is the researchers who provide the sense, the sniffing out, the intelligence.  The world doesn&#039;t work by rules.  It is chaos, and [[trolls]] simply direct the chaos by organizing it into [[faction]]s and [[campaign]]s, but it stays chaos.  Any sense comes from the researchers.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>Jukeboksi: reversing noise and sense to make more sense ;)       .</title>
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		<updated>2004-03-14T20:51:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;reversing noise and sense to make more sense ;)       .&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Could be [[common sense]], could be [[nonsense]], could be in one sense or another.  A sense is what turns [[Noise Wiki|noise]] into [[Signal Wiki|signal]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Could be [[common sense]], could be [[nonsense]], could be in one sense or another.  A sense is what turns [[Noise Wiki|noise]] into [[Signal Wiki|signal]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:So shouldn&#039;t THIS ([[Development Wiki]]) be the [[Sense Wiki]] since here are the rules and rationale decided upon which turn [[Noise Wiki|Noises]] (from The [[Research Wiki]]) into [[Signal Wiki|Signals]] --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 22:51, 14 Mar 2004 (EET)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>142.177.71.98: thinking out loud</title>
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		<updated>2004-03-14T20:22:55Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;thinking out loud&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Could be [[common sense]], could be [[nonsense]], could be in one sense or another.  A sense is what turns [[Noise Wiki|noise]] into [[Signal Wiki|signal]].&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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