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		<title>142.177.103.58 at 16:06, 28 August 2004</title>
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		<updated>2004-08-28T16:06:01Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:::Ok. I understand but I still think that applies to niche markets and one shouldn&amp;#039;t do [[outsourcing]] in lateral manner but vertical. I understand this so that competitors are lateral to your company as sub-contractors are vertical with the end-customer as the &amp;quot;highest&amp;quot; on the map. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 18:57, 28 Aug 2004 (EEST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:::Ok. I understand but I still think that applies to niche markets and one shouldn&amp;#039;t do [[outsourcing]] in lateral manner but vertical. I understand this so that competitors are lateral to your company as sub-contractors are vertical with the end-customer as the &amp;quot;highest&amp;quot; on the map. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 18:57, 28 Aug 2004 (EEST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::::If you are trying to develop a [[commodity market]] in some specific type of widget you must do some lateral outsourcing simply to establish [[extreme standards]] for interchange.  So if you are always short of bolts because you are just not interested in bolt-making, you must invent the idea of a #2 bolt and a #3 bolt and a #4 bolt and get a bunch of other people making them, even if you also make bolts sometimes.  Else you just never get any standards since there is no incentive to make one maker&#039;s bolt fit the other maker&#039;s nut, right?&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Jukeboksi: yes, but...</title>
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		<updated>2004-08-28T15:57:39Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;yes, but...&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* outsourcing to the competetor to keep up demand&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* outsourcing to the competetor to keep up demand&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:&lt;/del&gt;:Huh. What&#039;s this up. I don&#039;t simply understand why a company would want to [[outsourcing|outsource]] to a [[competitor]] and how would that keep up [[demand]] --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 15:40, 28 Aug 2004 (EEST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Huh. What&#039;s this up &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;there&lt;/ins&gt;. I don&#039;t simply understand why a company would want to [[outsourcing|outsource]] to a [[competitor]] and how would that keep up [[demand]] --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 15:40, 28 Aug 2004 (EEST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::If you have a small group of people working in [[Python]] you don&amp;#039;t want any of them to go out of business.  Instead you want them to develop specialties so that you can pick the most fun or most profitable and know for sure that you can get others to solve the boring and unprofitable parts of the problem.  If you never outsource to competitors to create a [[value chain]], with you pulling on the money side of it as the customer&amp;#039;s most direct contact, this won&amp;#039;t happen.  If there is no demand (from you) for them to serve, you will not take on the high-profile front-end delivery-to-the-customer design-intensive jobs, the [[prime contractor]] positions.  Which are the most profitable since they are the most direct [[channel]] to the customer.  Does that help?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::If you have a small group of people working in [[Python]] you don&amp;#039;t want any of them to go out of business.  Instead you want them to develop specialties so that you can pick the most fun or most profitable and know for sure that you can get others to solve the boring and unprofitable parts of the problem.  If you never outsource to competitors to create a [[value chain]], with you pulling on the money side of it as the customer&amp;#039;s most direct contact, this won&amp;#039;t happen.  If there is no demand (from you) for them to serve, you will not take on the high-profile front-end delivery-to-the-customer design-intensive jobs, the [[prime contractor]] positions.  Which are the most profitable since they are the most direct [[channel]] to the customer.  Does that help?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:::Ok. I understand but I still think that applies to niche markets and one shouldn&#039;t do [[outsourcing]] in lateral manner but vertical. I understand this so that competitors are lateral to your company as sub-contractors are vertical with the end-customer as the &quot;highest&quot; on the map. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 18:57, 28 Aug 2004 (EEST)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>142.177.103.58: why it works:  specialization, value chains</title>
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		<updated>2004-08-28T15:52:00Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;why it works:  specialization, value chains&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::Huh. What&amp;#039;s this up. I don&amp;#039;t simply understand why a company would want to [[outsourcing|outsource]] to a [[competitor]] and how would that keep up [[demand]] --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 15:40, 28 Aug 2004 (EEST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::Huh. What&amp;#039;s this up. I don&amp;#039;t simply understand why a company would want to [[outsourcing|outsource]] to a [[competitor]] and how would that keep up [[demand]] --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 15:40, 28 Aug 2004 (EEST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::If you have a small group of people working in [[Python]] you don&#039;t want any of them to go out of business.  Instead you want them to develop specialties so that you can pick the most fun or most profitable and know for sure that you can get others to solve the boring and unprofitable parts of the problem.  If you never outsource to competitors to create a [[value chain]], with you pulling on the money side of it as the customer&#039;s most direct contact, this won&#039;t happen.  If there is no demand (from you) for them to serve, you will not take on the high-profile front-end delivery-to-the-customer design-intensive jobs, the [[prime contractor]] positions.  Which are the most profitable since they are the most direct [[channel]] to the customer.  Does that help?&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>142.177.103.58</name></author>
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	<entry>
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		<title>Jukeboksi: moved a claim and put it under scrutiny</title>
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		<updated>2004-08-28T12:40:16Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;moved a claim and put it under scrutiny&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;* outsourcing to the competetor to keep up demand&lt;br /&gt;
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::Huh. What&amp;#039;s this up. I don&amp;#039;t simply understand why a company would want to [[outsourcing|outsource]] to a [[competitor]] and how would that keep up [[demand]] --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 15:40, 28 Aug 2004 (EEST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Jukeboksi</name></author>
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