Talk:Groupthink - Revision history

142.177.94.51: what "rights"? I might be a bot in which case I would be no body and owed nothing

2004-07-21T20:19:43Z

what "rights"? I might be a bot in which case I would be no body and owed nothing

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	:::: Besides calling people "morons" and "idiots" calling other people "nazi" and "fascist", especially those [[body\|individuals]]�that take on some burden of keeping [[Wikipedia]] or [[Wikimedia]] running, seems, unfortunatelly, be a argument in the view of some [[trolls]]. I'd have to take it furher to stick with the truth that these accusations that proliferate all over the place seem more like axioms then arguments to some folk here. --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 22:09, 21 Jul 2004 (EEST)		:::: Besides calling people "morons" and "idiots" calling other people "nazi" and "fascist", especially those [[body\|individuals]]�that take on some burden of keeping [[Wikipedia]] or [[Wikimedia]] running, seems, unfortunatelly, be a argument in the view of some [[trolls]]. I'd have to take it furher to stick with the truth that these accusations that proliferate all over the place seem more like axioms then arguments to some folk here. --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 22:09, 21 Jul 2004 (EEST)

			:::::Hmm that is probably true, a [[faction]] might consist MOSTLY or ONLY of "arguments that have become axioms" to that faction's adherents. Hmmm.

	::ok so [[representative democracy]] has problems including bad border choices - yes ''moron'' is used as an argument especially by [[trolls]] who learned it from the [[sysop power structure]] that first called them that. and this is not a "place" it is a [[wiki]]. Yes different opinions are welcome but you most not expect politeness.		::ok so [[representative democracy]] has problems including bad border choices - yes ''moron'' is used as an argument especially by [[trolls]] who learned it from the [[sysop power structure]] that first called them that. and this is not a "place" it is a [[wiki]]. Yes different opinions are welcome but you most not expect politeness.

	::: Who expects politeness? I expect nothing. U R just hurting yourself. Is taking bad habits from sysops an argument? Will U apply sysop vandalism here, just because U learned it from them? Isn't wiki a place, a public place? Don't U derive your rights from this fact?		::: Who expects politeness? I expect nothing. U R just hurting yourself. Is taking bad habits from sysops an argument? Will U apply [[sysop vandalism]] here, just because U learned it from them? Isn't wiki a place, a public place? Don't U derive your rights from this fact?

			::::No, trolls don't expect "rights" when sysops don't actually take on real "responsibilities" to protect them. No, wiki is not a place it is just a way to exchange text. No, insulting people is not vandalism of any kind, it's not preventing people from ignoring the insult or reading the text involved - though it might make reading that text a bit more annoying. So your [[wiki ideology]] of "[[why can't we all just get along]]"? is not very convincing if it is based on all this nonsense.

Jukeboksi: commenting

2004-07-21T19:09:55Z

commenting

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	::: Is ''moron'' used as an argument here in this place? Are different opinions not welcome? In competition factions define themselves by a lot of equivalence and a bit of negation. There R very rarely new ideas 2 solve existing problems. T permanent conflict enforces redrawing 2 save territory and 2 avoid attacking T hard problems.		::: Is ''moron'' used as an argument here in this place? Are different opinions not welcome? In competition factions define themselves by a lot of equivalence and a bit of negation. There R very rarely new ideas 2 solve existing problems. T permanent conflict enforces redrawing 2 save territory and 2 avoid attacking T hard problems.



	::ok so [[representative democracy]] has problems including bad border choices - yes ''moron'' is used as an argument especially by [[trolls]] who learned it from the [[sysop power structure]] that first called them that. and this is not a "place" it is a [[wiki]]. Yes different opinions are welcome but you most not expect politeness.		::ok so [[representative democracy]] has problems including bad border choices - yes ''moron'' is used as an argument especially by [[trolls]] who learned it from the [[sysop power structure]] that first called them that. and this is not a "place" it is a [[wiki]]. Yes different opinions are welcome but you most not expect politeness.

	::: Who expects politeness? I expect nothing. U R just hurting yourself. Is taking bad habits from sysops an argument? Will U apply sysop vandalism here, just because U learned it from them? Isn't wiki a place, a public place? Don't U derive your rights from this fact?		::: Who expects politeness? I expect nothing. U R just hurting yourself. Is taking bad habits from sysops an argument? Will U apply sysop vandalism here, just because U learned it from them? Isn't wiki a place, a public place? Don't U derive your rights from this fact?

Jukeboksi: moved fairly random ramblings from the article here

2004-07-21T18:59:53Z

moved fairly random ramblings from the article here

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: ''It is doubtable that [[faction]]s are a cure for the groupthink sickness. Groupthink in factions seems worse than in communities because of the need 2 sharpen differences in the competitive situation. -- T2R''

::It only seems worse to morons: factions are smaller than the larger group they are trying to steer, and since they are forced to accept some rules on how they compete with each other to do that steering, you have more acceptance of reciprocity and equality of factions (trying "insider vs. outsider" for unfair treatment!), and smaller groups that are at least capable of seeing how their biases fit together.

::: Is ''moron'' used as an argument here in this place? Are different opinions not welcome? In competition factions define themselves by a lot of equivalence and a bit of negation. There R very rarely new ideas 2 solve existing problems. T permanent conflict enforces redrawing 2 save territory and 2 avoid attacking T hard problems.

::ok so [[representative democracy]] has problems including bad border choices - yes ''moron'' is used as an argument especially by [[trolls]] who learned it from the [[sysop power structure]] that first called them that. and this is not a "place" it is a [[wiki]]. Yes different opinions are welcome but you most not expect politeness.

::: Who expects politeness? I expect nothing. U R just hurting yourself. Is taking bad habits from sysops an argument? Will U apply sysop vandalism here, just because U learned it from them? Isn't wiki a place, a public place? Don't U derive your rights from this fact?