Talk:Employability - Revision history

142.177.97.163 at 20:08, 20 March 2004

2004-03-20T20:08:25Z

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	:But the [[employability]]-meter could be useful within one [[country]] eg. a company based in [[Finland]] might employ X people in Finland and Y people in China. Now as in Finland it is fully possible to get [[cashflow]], [[asset]] and [[profit]] information that could be compared for each [[consumer]] according to her/his [[preferences]] on which countries to value for employment effect.		:But the [[employability]]-meter could be useful within one [[country]] eg. a company based in [[Finland]] might employ X people in Finland and Y people in China. Now as in Finland it is fully possible to get [[cashflow]], [[asset]] and [[profit]] information that could be compared for each [[consumer]] according to her/his [[preferences]] on which countries to value for employment effect.

			::This is a very bad way to make a decision. It doesn't fit into the [[individual buying criteria]] of most [[Greens]], and for good reason. It creates only [[protectionism]] which is not the best way to get [[comprehensive outcome]]s of high [[moral value]]. To [[buy local]] doesn't mean to prefer something from across your own country to something from just across a border you live near. So countries aren't the way to do this.

	:Further on the [[employability]] [[ratio]] could be related to median or average pay to be more informative. Also [[UN Human Development Index]] might be included in the evaluation		:Further on the [[employability]] [[ratio]] could be related to median or average pay to be more informative. Also [[UN Human Development Index]] might be included in the evaluation

			::"Pay" is worthless. Try [[purchasing power parity]] or as you say the UN HDI.

	You would expect to find a lot more people employed in the processing of cocoa than of coffee. Does that make cocoa better than coffee? Some would argue the opposite, that because coffee takes almost no equipment to process, that it is not creating pollution via factory processes and it is easier to get [[fair trade]] coffee to market than it is for cocoa.		You would expect to find a lot more people employed in the processing of cocoa than of coffee. Does that make cocoa better than coffee? Some would argue the opposite, that because coffee takes almost no equipment to process, that it is not creating pollution via factory processes and it is easier to get [[fair trade]] coffee to market than it is for cocoa.

Jukeboksi: Also UN Human Development Index might be included in the evaluation

2004-03-19T17:33:15Z

Also UN Human Development Index might be included in the evaluation

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	:But the [[employability]]-meter could be useful within one [[country]] eg. a company based in [[Finland]] might employ X people in Finland and Y people in China. Now as in Finland it is fully possible to get [[cashflow]], [[asset]] and [[profit]] information that could be compared for each [[consumer]] according to her/his [[preferences]] on which countries to value for employment effect.		:But the [[employability]]-meter could be useful within one [[country]] eg. a company based in [[Finland]] might employ X people in Finland and Y people in China. Now as in Finland it is fully possible to get [[cashflow]], [[asset]] and [[profit]] information that could be compared for each [[consumer]] according to her/his [[preferences]] on which countries to value for employment effect.

	:Further on the [[employability]] [[ratio]] could be related to median or average pay to be more informative		:Further on the [[employability]] [[ratio]] could be related to median or average pay to be more informative. Also [[UN Human Development Index]] might be included in the evaluation

	You would expect to find a lot more people employed in the processing of cocoa than of coffee. Does that make cocoa better than coffee? Some would argue the opposite, that because coffee takes almost no equipment to process, that it is not creating pollution via factory processes and it is easier to get [[fair trade]] coffee to market than it is for cocoa.		You would expect to find a lot more people employed in the processing of cocoa than of coffee. Does that make cocoa better than coffee? Some would argue the opposite, that because coffee takes almost no equipment to process, that it is not creating pollution via factory processes and it is easier to get [[fair trade]] coffee to market than it is for cocoa.

Jukeboksi: formatting

2004-03-07T17:24:27Z

formatting

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	:For this reason we need to aqcuire [[work description]]s and link them from [[product]]s		:For this reason we need to aqcuire [[work description]]s and link them from [[product]]s
	But the [[employability]]-meter could be useful within one [[country]] eg. a company based in [[Finland]] might employ X people in Finland and Y people in China. Now as in Finland it is fully possible to get [[cashflow]], [[asset]] and [[profit]] information that could be compared for each [[consumer]] according to her/his [[preferences]] on which countries to value for employment effect.
			:But the [[employability]]-meter could be useful within one [[country]] eg. a company based in [[Finland]] might employ X people in Finland and Y people in China. Now as in Finland it is fully possible to get [[cashflow]], [[asset]] and [[profit]] information that could be compared for each [[consumer]] according to her/his [[preferences]] on which countries to value for employment effect.

	:Further on the [[employability]] [[ratio]] could be related to median or average pay to be more informative		:Further on the [[employability]] [[ratio]] could be related to median or average pay to be more informative

Jukeboksi: anwsers to critisism of this feature/idea

2004-03-07T17:23:58Z

anwsers to critisism of this feature/idea

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	I think this is a misleading ratio. It doesn't take into account for instance the fact that [[coffee]] production is mostly just planting, picking, roasting and grinding beans, while [[cocoa]] production is drastically more equipment and process intensive. You would expect to find a lot more people employed in the processing of cocoa than of coffee. Does that make cocoa better than coffee? Some would argue the opposite, that because coffee takes almost no equipment to process, that it is not creating pollution via factory processes and it is easier to get [[fair trade]] coffee to market than it is for cocoa.		I think this is a misleading ratio. It doesn't take into account for instance the fact that [[coffee]] production is mostly just planting, picking, roasting and grinding beans, while [[cocoa]] production is drastically more equipment and process intensive.

			:For this reason we need to aqcuire [[work description]]s and link them from [[product]]s
			But the [[employability]]-meter could be useful within one [[country]] eg. a company based in [[Finland]] might employ X people in Finland and Y people in China. Now as in Finland it is fully possible to get [[cashflow]], [[asset]] and [[profit]] information that could be compared for each [[consumer]] according to her/his [[preferences]] on which countries to value for employment effect.

			:Further on the [[employability]] [[ratio]] could be related to median or average pay to be more informative

			You would expect to find a lot more people employed in the processing of cocoa than of coffee. Does that make cocoa better than coffee? Some would argue the opposite, that because coffee takes almost no equipment to process, that it is not creating pollution via factory processes and it is easier to get [[fair trade]] coffee to market than it is for cocoa.

	So how do I do comparison of moccacino with espresso at Starbucks? Yeargh. Too many [[value]]s mixed up and assumed in one metric.		So how do I do comparison of moccacino with espresso at Starbucks? Yeargh. Too many [[value]]s mixed up and assumed in one metric.

	The basic idea is sound, but, you must more directly compare a [[labour-intensive]] to a [[capital-intensive]] process. There is such a thing as capital intensity ratio in some theories of economics I think, and many economists believe that a low ratio is much more appropriate in [[developing nation]]s. [[w:E. F. Schumacher]] had the concept [[w:intermediate technology]] to reflect this, which was a compromise between the "no tools, too much labour" of poor places, the "little highly skilled labour, way too many high tech tools employing a vast hierarchy of specialist" rule of rich places. A [[developing nation]] according to him had to replace US$1 worth of tools with US$10 and US$100 worth, not US$10,000 worth as in a modern US factory...		The basic idea is sound, but, you must more directly compare a [[labour-intensive]] to a [[capital-intensive]] process. There is such a thing as capital intensity ratio in some theories of economics I think, and many economists believe that a low ratio is much more appropriate in [[developing nation]]s. [[w:E. F. Schumacher]] had the concept [[w:intermediate technology]] to reflect this, which was a compromise between the "no tools, too much labour" of poor places, the "little highly skilled labour, way too many high tech tools employing a vast hierarchy of specialist" rule of rich places. A [[developing nation]] according to him had to replace US$1 worth of tools with US$10 and US$100 worth, not US$10,000 worth as in a modern US factory...

142.177.112.130 at 19:10, 5 March 2004

2004-03-05T19:10:06Z

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	I think this is a misleading ratio. It doesn't take into account for instance the fact that [[coffee]] production is mostly just planting, picking, roasting and grinding beans, while [[cocoa]] production is drastically more equipment and process intensive. You would expect to find a lot more people employed in the processing of cocoa than of coffee. Does that make cocoa better than coffee? Some would argue the opposite, that because coffee takes almost no equipment to process, that it is not creating pollution via factory processes and it is easier to get [[fair trade]] coffee to market than it is for cocoa.		I think this is a misleading ratio. It doesn't take into account for instance the fact that [[coffee]] production is mostly just planting, picking, roasting and grinding beans, while [[cocoa]] production is drastically more equipment and process intensive. You would expect to find a lot more people employed in the processing of cocoa than of coffee. Does that make cocoa better than coffee? Some would argue the opposite, that because coffee takes almost no equipment to process, that it is not creating pollution via factory processes and it is easier to get [[fair trade]] coffee to market than it is for cocoa.

			So how do I do comparison of moccacino with espresso at Starbucks? Yeargh. Too many [[value]]s mixed up and assumed in one metric.

	The basic idea is sound, but, you must more directly compare a [[labour-intensive]] to a [[capital-intensive]] process. There is such a thing as capital intensity ratio in some theories of economics I think, and many economists believe that a low ratio is much more appropriate in [[developing nation]]s. [[w:E. F. Schumacher]] had the concept [[w:intermediate technology]] to reflect this, which was a compromise between the "no tools, too much labour" of poor places, the "little highly skilled labour, way too many high tech tools employing a vast hierarchy of specialist" rule of rich places. A [[developing nation]] according to him had to replace US$1 worth of tools with US$10 and US$100 worth, not US$10,000 worth as in a modern US factory...		The basic idea is sound, but, you must more directly compare a [[labour-intensive]] to a [[capital-intensive]] process. There is such a thing as capital intensity ratio in some theories of economics I think, and many economists believe that a low ratio is much more appropriate in [[developing nation]]s. [[w:E. F. Schumacher]] had the concept [[w:intermediate technology]] to reflect this, which was a compromise between the "no tools, too much labour" of poor places, the "little highly skilled labour, way too many high tech tools employing a vast hierarchy of specialist" rule of rich places. A [[developing nation]] according to him had to replace US$1 worth of tools with US$10 and US$100 worth, not US$10,000 worth as in a modern US factory...

142.177.112.130 at 19:08, 5 March 2004

2004-03-05T19:08:30Z

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I think this is a misleading ratio. It doesn't take into account for instance the fact that [[coffee]] production is mostly just planting, picking, roasting and grinding beans, while [[cocoa]] production is drastically more equipment and process intensive. You would expect to find a lot more people employed in the processing of cocoa than of coffee. Does that make cocoa better than coffee? Some would argue the opposite, that because coffee takes almost no equipment to process, that it is not creating pollution via factory processes and it is easier to get [[fair trade]] coffee to market than it is for cocoa.

The basic idea is sound, but, you must more directly compare a [[labour-intensive]] to a [[capital-intensive]] process. There is such a thing as capital intensity ratio in some theories of economics I think, and many economists believe that a low ratio is much more appropriate in [[developing nation]]s. [[w:E. F. Schumacher]] had the concept [[w:intermediate technology]] to reflect this, which was a compromise between the "no tools, too much labour" of poor places, the "little highly skilled labour, way too many high tech tools employing a vast hierarchy of specialist" rule of rich places. A [[developing nation]] according to him had to replace US$1 worth of tools with US$10 and US$100 worth, not US$10,000 worth as in a modern US factory...