Talk:Consumerpedia - Revision history

Jukeboksi: reverted to last non-redirecting version

2004-04-23T13:49:51Z

reverted to last non-redirecting version

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	~~#redirect~~ [[~~Talk~~:Consumerium]]		So Consumerpedia is a name for a new thing combining [[Research Wiki]] and [[Publish Wiki]] in one place? If it's just the [[Research Wiki]], then, why is it separate? Inventing names is a bad idea, though, if "Consumerpedia is the most trusted source used by Consumerium Services" that is not entirely bad. But if that's the plan, then, you must get consumerpedia.org, consumerpedia.info and it's a disaster not to do that before you announce the public name!

			And what format is this data in? [[Consumerium:intermediate page]]s? Or some free-form thing that can't be processed automatically, so is useless to make a [[Consumerium buying signal]]?

			Also, if everything there is [[GFDL]], with no [[Consumerium License]] of any other kind effect, then, it can be used to enable lots of different services that may compete with [[Consumerium Services]], including, used by lying [[brand management]] types to spread good news about very bad products.
			But there's probably little choice if the point is to suck in [[Wikipedia]]'s coverage of these things. But if so, why not use [[Recyclopedia]]? That's a better approach probably, though their focus is more narrow on vegan and some anarchist stuff, that's almost certainly the right place to start.

			Only [[Pinks]] think that [[social justice]] can or should be achieved before [[natural capital]] is safe, so [[Consumerpedia]] may be really the Pinkpedia, while [[Recyclopedia]] might be the Greenpedia.

			Is it reasonable to let the [[Research Wiki]]s be different based on your [[faction]] or [[institutional buying criteria]]? If so it's quite powerful but might mean we are moving more quickly to [[Distributed Consumerium]], starting with factions not starting with languages. Which is OK by trolls, if it's managed right.

			:Apparently however it's down. So, it's not getting off to a good start.

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			Is it ever coming up again?

			:Nope it's up and running it's just that the [[GodKing]] [[User:DanKeshet]] put apache to give you 403 which means "access forbidden" for your current ISP, you might consider using an open-proxy which are a hot ban issue on [[Wikipedia]]. Apparently he did not get the [[MediaWiki]] ban feature to function as expected. I had nothing to do with the decision to ban your adressess, nor do I approve his actions based on your radical editorial approach previously in other venues. He says he is considering to open access for sympatico.ca once the culture there is stablized. You are still free to use [[Consumerium]] [[Development Wiki]], I just wish you wouldn't start calling [[User:DanKeshet]] a facist or something at least in a very [[trolls\|trollish fashion]] --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 16:32, 2 Apr 2004 (EEST)~

			::Look, you deal with a piece of shit, you get results which are shit; [[User:Angela]] is busy destroying [[Symbolwiki]], the shit is spreading. And [[User:DanKeshet]] is not welcome at [[Consumerium]] until he undoes this. As [[trolls]] made clear, we did only the minimum work possible to ensure that the [[Consumerpedia]] does not go off and invent its own terms for well-defined and necessary things to keep wikis reflexive. We aren't willing to compromise on any of that, nor tolerate competitive projects that claim to be allied ones, nor [[sysop vigilantiism]] in any form. He's PROVING he's a fascist, by doing this instead of talking about it. It's no longer possible to work WITH him, and we won't. He pulled similar unilateral power plays at Wikipedia a few times, harangued to delete stuff that didn't fit his pet model of politics there, etc..

			::He's also violating the [[GFDL]] by putting technical barriers in place to reading the material or retrieving it in [[wikitext standard]] form. Why should [[trolls]] not contact every company he writes about negatively, and invite them to form a class action that would invoke this [[GFDL violation]]?

			::Inferior, mediocre, people, inventing [[sysop power structure]]s that empower them, since no one would seriously choose to give them this power if they didn't take it, aren't the kind of people that real people should be working with.

			::That said, who cares what [[Consumerpedia]] does? It's worthless if it's run that way. It's now just one of many sources for [[Research Wiki]]. And not a good one. Accordingly, it should have no special priveleges or help from "[[Consumerium:We\|us]]", and you should stop referring people off to it.

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2004-04-23T12:56:40Z

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	~~So Consumerpedia is a name for a new thing combining~~ [[Research Wiki]] and [[Publish Wiki]] in one place? If it's just the [[Research Wiki]], then, why is it separate? Inventing names is a bad idea, though, if "Consumerpedia is the most trusted source used by Consumerium Services" that is not entirely bad. But if that's the plan, then, you must get consumerpedia.org, consumerpedia.info and it's a disaster not to do that before you announce the public name!		#redirect [[Talk:Consumerium]]

	~~And what format is this data in? [[Consumerium~~:~~intermediate page]]s? Or some free-form thing that can't be processed automatically, so is useless to make a [[Consumerium buying signal]]?~~

	~~Also, if everything there is [[GFDL]], with no [[~~Consumerium License]] of any other kind effect, then, it can be used to enable lots of different services that may compete with [[Consumerium Services]], including, used by lying [[brand management]] types to spread good news about very bad products.
	But there's probably little choice if the point is to suck in [[Wikipedia]]'s coverage of these things. But if so, why not use [[Recyclopedia]]? That's a better approach probably, though their focus is more narrow on vegan and some anarchist stuff, that's almost certainly the right place to start.

	Only [[Pinks]] think that [[social justice]] can or should be achieved before [[natural capital]] is safe, so [[Consumerpedia]] may be really the Pinkpedia, while [[Recyclopedia]] might be the Greenpedia.

	Is it reasonable to let the [[Research Wiki]]s be different based on your [[faction]] or [[institutional buying criteria]]? If so it's quite powerful but might mean we are moving more quickly to [[Distributed Consumerium]], starting with factions not starting with languages. Which is OK by trolls, if it's managed right.

	~~:Apparently however it's down. So, it's not getting off to a good start.~~

	~~-----------------------~~

	~~Is it ever coming up again?~~

	:Nope it's up and running it's just that the [[GodKing]] [[User:DanKeshet]] put apache to give you 403 which means "access forbidden" for your current ISP, you might consider using an open-proxy which are a hot ban issue on [[Wikipedia]]. Apparently he did not get the [[MediaWiki]] ban feature to function as expected. I had nothing to do with the decision to ban your adressess, nor do I approve his actions based on your radical editorial approach previously in other venues. He says he is considering to open access for sympatico.ca once the culture there is stablized. You are still free to use [[Consumerium]] [[Development Wiki]], I just wish you wouldn't start calling [[User:DanKeshet]] a facist or something at least in a very [[trolls\|trollish fashion]] --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 16:32, 2 Apr 2004 (EEST)~

	::Look, you deal with a piece of shit, you get results which are shit; [[User:Angela]] is busy destroying [[Symbolwiki]], the shit is spreading. And [[User:DanKeshet]] is not welcome at [[Consumerium]] until he undoes this. As [[trolls]] made clear, we did only the minimum work possible to ensure that the [[Consumerpedia]] does not go off and invent its own terms for well-defined and necessary things to keep wikis reflexive. We aren't willing to compromise on any of that, nor tolerate competitive projects that claim to be allied ones, nor [[sysop vigilantiism]] in any form. He's PROVING he's a fascist, by doing this instead of talking about it. It's no longer possible to work WITH him, and we won't. He pulled similar unilateral power plays at Wikipedia a few times, harangued to delete stuff that didn't fit his pet model of politics there, etc..

	::He's also violating the [[GFDL]] by putting technical barriers in place to reading the material or retrieving it in [[wikitext standard]] form. Why should [[trolls]] not contact every company he writes about negatively, and invite them to form a class action that would invoke this [[GFDL violation]]?

	::Inferior, mediocre, people, inventing [[sysop power structure]]s that empower them, since no one would seriously choose to give them this power if they didn't take it, aren't the kind of people that real people should be working with.

	::That said, who cares what [[Consumerpedia]] does? It's worthless if it's run that way. It's now just one of many sources for [[Research Wiki]]. And not a good one. Accordingly, it should have no special priveleges or help from "[[Consumerium:We\|us]]~~", and you should stop referring people off to it.~~

142.177.114.181: it's just one of many sources for a Research Wiki, and not a good one.

2004-04-02T20:13:00Z

it's just one of many sources for a Research Wiki, and not a good one.

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	:Nope it's up and running it's just that the [[GodKing]] [[User:DanKeshet]] put apache to give you 403 which means "access forbidden" for your current ISP, you might consider using an open-proxy which are a hot ban issue on [[Wikipedia]]. Apparently he did not get the [[MediaWiki]] ban feature to function as expected. I had nothing to do with the decision to ban your adressess, nor do I approve his actions based on your radical editorial approach previously in other venues. He says he is considering to open access for sympatico.ca once the culture there is stablized. You are still free to use [[Consumerium]] [[Development Wiki]], I just wish you wouldn't start calling [[User:DanKeshet]] a facist or something at least in a very [[trolls\|trollish fashion]] --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 16:32, 2 Apr 2004 (EEST)~		:Nope it's up and running it's just that the [[GodKing]] [[User:DanKeshet]] put apache to give you 403 which means "access forbidden" for your current ISP, you might consider using an open-proxy which are a hot ban issue on [[Wikipedia]]. Apparently he did not get the [[MediaWiki]] ban feature to function as expected. I had nothing to do with the decision to ban your adressess, nor do I approve his actions based on your radical editorial approach previously in other venues. He says he is considering to open access for sympatico.ca once the culture there is stablized. You are still free to use [[Consumerium]] [[Development Wiki]], I just wish you wouldn't start calling [[User:DanKeshet]] a facist or something at least in a very [[trolls\|trollish fashion]] --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 16:32, 2 Apr 2004 (EEST)~

			::Look, you deal with a piece of shit, you get results which are shit; [[User:Angela]] is busy destroying [[Symbolwiki]], the shit is spreading. And [[User:DanKeshet]] is not welcome at [[Consumerium]] until he undoes this. As [[trolls]] made clear, we did only the minimum work possible to ensure that the [[Consumerpedia]] does not go off and invent its own terms for well-defined and necessary things to keep wikis reflexive. We aren't willing to compromise on any of that, nor tolerate competitive projects that claim to be allied ones, nor [[sysop vigilantiism]] in any form. He's PROVING he's a fascist, by doing this instead of talking about it. It's no longer possible to work WITH him, and we won't. He pulled similar unilateral power plays at Wikipedia a few times, harangued to delete stuff that didn't fit his pet model of politics there, etc..

			::He's also violating the [[GFDL]] by putting technical barriers in place to reading the material or retrieving it in [[wikitext standard]] form. Why should [[trolls]] not contact every company he writes about negatively, and invite them to form a class action that would invoke this [[GFDL violation]]?

			::Inferior, mediocre, people, inventing [[sysop power structure]]s that empower them, since no one would seriously choose to give them this power if they didn't take it, aren't the kind of people that real people should be working with.

			::That said, who cares what [[Consumerpedia]] does? It's worthless if it's run that way. It's now just one of many sources for [[Research Wiki]]. And not a good one. Accordingly, it should have no special priveleges or help from "[[Consumerium:We\|us]]", and you should stop referring people off to it.

Jukeboksi: forgot to sign

2004-04-02T13:32:38Z

forgot to sign

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	Is it ever coming up again?		Is it ever coming up again?

	:Nope it's up and running it's just that the [[GodKing]] [[User:DanKeshet]] put apache to give you 403 which means "access forbidden" for your current ISP, you might consider using an open-proxy which are a hot ban issue on [[Wikipedia]]. Apparently he did not get the [[MediaWiki]] ban feature to function as expected. I had nothing to do with the decision to ban your adressess, nor do I approve his actions based on your radical editorial approach previously in other venues. He says he is considering to open access for sympatico.ca once the culture there is stablized. You are still free to use [[Consumerium Development]] ~~wiki~~, I just wish you wouldn't start calling [[User:DanKeshet]] a facist or something at least in very [[trolls\|trollish fashion]]		:Nope it's up and running it's just that the [[GodKing]] [[User:DanKeshet]] put apache to give you 403 which means "access forbidden" for your current ISP, you might consider using an open-proxy which are a hot ban issue on [[Wikipedia]]. Apparently he did not get the [[MediaWiki]] ban feature to function as expected. I had nothing to do with the decision to ban your adressess, nor do I approve his actions based on your radical editorial approach previously in other venues. He says he is considering to open access for sympatico.ca once the culture there is stablized. You are still free to use [[Consumerium]] [[Development Wiki]], I just wish you wouldn't start calling [[User:DanKeshet]] a facist or something at least in a very [[trolls\|trollish fashion]] --[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 16:32, 2 Apr 2004 (EEST)~

Jukeboksi: nope. Consumerpedia is up, it's just that GodKing decided to block 142.177 access for some reason

2004-04-02T13:31:30Z

nope. Consumerpedia is up, it's just that GodKing decided to block 142.177 access for some reason

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	Is it ever coming up again?		Is it ever coming up again?

			:Nope it's up and running it's just that the [[GodKing]] [[User:DanKeshet]] put apache to give you 403 which means "access forbidden" for your current ISP, you might consider using an open-proxy which are a hot ban issue on [[Wikipedia]]. Apparently he did not get the [[MediaWiki]] ban feature to function as expected. I had nothing to do with the decision to ban your adressess, nor do I approve his actions based on your radical editorial approach previously in other venues. He says he is considering to open access for sympatico.ca once the culture there is stablized. You are still free to use [[Consumerium Development]] wiki, I just wish you wouldn't start calling [[User:DanKeshet]] a facist or something at least in very [[trolls\|trollish fashion]]

142.177.12.20: Is it ever coming up again?

2004-04-02T02:53:27Z

Is it ever coming up again?

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	Is it reasonable to let the [[Research Wiki]]s be different based on your [[faction]] or [[institutional buying criteria]]? If so it's quite powerful but might mean we are moving more quickly to [[Distributed Consumerium]], starting with factions not starting with languages. Which is OK by trolls, if it's managed right.		Is it reasonable to let the [[Research Wiki]]s be different based on your [[faction]] or [[institutional buying criteria]]? If so it's quite powerful but might mean we are moving more quickly to [[Distributed Consumerium]], starting with factions not starting with languages. Which is OK by trolls, if it's managed right.

			:Apparently however it's down. So, it's not getting off to a good start.

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			Is it ever coming up again?

142.177.92.223: questions about relationship; is this a symptom of splitting Research Wiki by faction?

2004-03-30T20:10:25Z

questions about relationship; is this a symptom of splitting Research Wiki by faction?

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So Consumerpedia is a name for a new thing combining [[Research Wiki]] and [[Publish Wiki]] in one place? If it's just the [[Research Wiki]], then, why is it separate? Inventing names is a bad idea, though, if "Consumerpedia is the most trusted source used by Consumerium Services" that is not entirely bad. But if that's the plan, then, you must get consumerpedia.org, consumerpedia.info and it's a disaster not to do that before you announce the public name!

And what format is this data in? [[Consumerium:intermediate page]]s? Or some free-form thing that can't be processed automatically, so is useless to make a [[Consumerium buying signal]]?

Also, if everything there is [[GFDL]], with no [[Consumerium License]] of any other kind effect, then, it can be used to enable lots of different services that may compete with [[Consumerium Services]], including, used by lying [[brand management]] types to spread good news about very bad products.
But there's probably little choice if the point is to suck in [[Wikipedia]]'s coverage of these things. But if so, why not use [[Recyclopedia]]? That's a better approach probably, though their focus is more narrow on vegan and some anarchist stuff, that's almost certainly the right place to start.

Only [[Pinks]] think that [[social justice]] can or should be achieved before [[natural capital]] is safe, so [[Consumerpedia]] may be really the Pinkpedia, while [[Recyclopedia]] might be the Greenpedia.

Is it reasonable to let the [[Research Wiki]]s be different based on your [[faction]] or [[institutional buying criteria]]? If so it's quite powerful but might mean we are moving more quickly to [[Distributed Consumerium]], starting with factions not starting with languages. Which is OK by trolls, if it's managed right.