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control fantasy: communism follows anarchism, which tends to be opposed to totalitarian and state control, compare this with the Stalinist hijackers

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	The less extreme form of sysopism is seen in [[usurper]] behaviour in [[large public wiki]]s. Such behaviours as [[sysop vigilantiism]], [[sysop vandalism]], etc., are thought to be symptoms of sysopism, a directly opposed ideology to any form of [[anarchism]], which emphasize [[decentralisation]] and [[personal responsibility]] rather than trust in any god-like authority figures, e.g. a [[GodKing]]. [[Vile mailing list]]s and other [[echo chamber]] behaviour like [[spun threat]] invention are symptoms of the constant [[conflict of interest]] these people find themselves in.		The less extreme form of sysopism is seen in [[usurper]] behaviour in [[large public wiki]]s. Such behaviours as [[sysop vigilantiism]], [[sysop vandalism]], etc., are thought to be symptoms of sysopism, a directly opposed ideology to any form of [[anarchism]], which emphasize [[decentralisation]] and [[personal responsibility]] rather than trust in any god-like authority figures, e.g. a [[GodKing]]. [[Vile mailing list]]s and other [[echo chamber]] behaviour like [[spun threat]] invention are symptoms of the constant [[conflict of interest]] these people find themselves in.

	To the true believer in sysopism, the solution to this is always more [[technological escalation]], making more of a [[carceral state]], and training or teaching people to behave predictably: perhaps ultimately incorporating their "skills" into an "AI". Which would be exactly the one Yudkowsky seeks. These believers would seem to be [[control freak]]s and have serious [[God's Eye View]] problems in their strange [[ideology]]. These were of course exactly the [[subject-object problem]]s that plagued other such [[totalitarian]] movements, e.g. [[Nazism]] and [[~~Communism~~]], which likewise made claims about some inevitable "march of history" in which they triumphed.		To the true believer in sysopism, the solution to this is always more [[technological escalation]], making more of a [[carceral state]], and training or teaching people to behave predictably: perhaps ultimately incorporating their "skills" into an "AI". Which would be exactly the one Yudkowsky seeks. These believers would seem to be [[control freak]]s and have serious [[God's Eye View]] problems in their strange [[ideology]]. These were of course exactly the [[subject-object problem]]s that plagued other such [[totalitarian]] movements, e.g. [[Nazism]] and [[Stalinism]], which likewise made claims about some inevitable "march of history" in which they triumphed.

	=== real politics ===		=== real politics ===

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	However, the rise in [[Internet activism]] and use of [[blog]] and [[wiki]] [[net media]] by [[political party]] or [[civil society]] or [[social economy]] or [[developing nation]] activists, suggests strongly that the power of sysops can become immensely oppressive in a great many cases.		However, the rise in [[Internet activism]] and use of [[blog]] and [[wiki]] [[net media]] by [[political party]] or [[civil society]] or [[social economy]] or [[developing nation]] activists, suggests strongly that the power of sysops can become immensely oppressive in a great many cases.

	When confronted with real political issues, the typical sysop applies labels freely, like "[[trolling]]", "[[vandalism]]", decides to challenge certain claims not others, and often is simply expressing biases based on his or her own [[politics]]. Few have [[political virtues]]. In an extremely diverse forum like [[Wikipedia]], this leads to [[Wikipedia factions]] formed in self defense, some of which contest sysop power directly. ''[[Recyclopedia:faction]]s are more pro-active and intended to aid in [[dispute resolution]] without over-simplifying [[political dispute]]s or overly trusting one clique to define them or define a response to them under threat of [[technological escalation]].''		When confronted with real political issues, the typical sysop applies labels freely, like "[[trolling]]", "[[vandalism]]", decides to challenge certain claims not others, and often is simply expressing biases based on his or her own [[politics]]. Few have [[political virtues]]. In an extremely diverse forum like [[Wikipedia]], this leads to [[Wikipedia factions]] formed in self defense, some of which contest sysop power directly. ''[[Recyclopedia\|Recyclopedia:faction]]s are more pro-active and intended to aid in [[dispute resolution]] without over-simplifying [[political dispute]]s or overly trusting one clique to define them or define a response to them under threat of [[technological escalation]].''

	=== dangers ===		=== dangers ===

	It seems inevitable that those pursuing some form of [[bourgeois revolution]], [[Islamic revolution]], [[proletarian revolution]] or even more moderate goals like simple ability for [[developing nation]] readers to access and complete and culturally unbiased archive of knowledge, will come into violent conflict with those who exercise direct control over, e.g. the [[GFDL corpus]]. In any such conflict, it seems quite likely that '''sysopism''' will be exterminated, as it is not an overt [[political movement]], but simply a bunch of very stupid people who are very far in over their heads as far as real politics is concerned. ~~Some experts expect that the first acts of violence against online sysops are quite near at hand, and will be seen before the end of [[2004]].~~		It seems inevitable that those pursuing some form of [[bourgeois revolution]], [[Islamic revolution]], [[proletarian revolution]] or even more moderate goals like simple ability for [[developing nation]] readers to access and complete and culturally unbiased archive of knowledge, will come into violent conflict with those who exercise direct control over, e.g. the [[GFDL corpus]]. In any such conflict, it seems quite likely that '''sysopism''' will be exterminated, as it is not an overt [[political movement]], but simply a bunch of very stupid people who are very far in over their heads as far as real politics is concerned.

	~~Similar predictions were made regarding deaths of protestors in the [[anti-globalization movement]], which were realized in [[Genoa]] in late [[2001]].~~

	=== References ===		=== References ===

	*[http://singinst.org The Singularity Institute], for all your sysopism needs		*[http://singinst.org The Singularity Institute], for all your sysopism needs

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'''Sysopism''' is a blanket term for the general belief that strict [[hierarchy]] is the only [[power structure]] that an [[Internet]] forum, e.g. a [[large public wiki]], can follow. It is based on the same assumptions as [[fascism]], [[theocracy]] and [[absolute monarchy]], the identical [[civics]] applied in the real world.

=== control fantasy ===

In its extreme form, "[[Friendly AI]]", it actually advocates that [[artificial intelligence]] be raised to [[godhood]], and act literally as a "[[sysop]]" for the entire [[biosphere]]. This theory was originated by [[Eleizer Yudkowsky]] who actually renamed his AI "Friendly" from "Sysop". The [[Singularity Institute]] attempts to promote exactly this [[ideology]].

The less extreme form of sysopism is seen in [[usurper]] behaviour in [[large public wiki]]s. Such behaviours as [[sysop vigilantiism]], [[sysop vandalism]], etc., are thought to be symptoms of sysopism, a directly opposed ideology to any form of [[anarchism]], which emphasize [[decentralisation]] and [[personal responsibility]] rather than trust in any god-like authority figures, e.g. a [[GodKing]]. [[Vile mailing list]]s and other [[echo chamber]] behaviour like [[spun threat]] invention are symptoms of the constant [[conflict of interest]] these people find themselves in.

To the true believer in sysopism, the solution to this is always more [[technological escalation]], making more of a [[carceral state]], and training or teaching people to behave predictably: perhaps ultimately incorporating their "skills" into an "AI". Which would be exactly the one Yudkowsky seeks. These believers would seem to be [[control freak]]s and have serious [[God's Eye View]] problems in their strange [[ideology]]. These were of course exactly the [[subject-object problem]]s that plagued other such [[totalitarian]] movements, e.g. [[Nazism]] and [[Communism]], which likewise made claims about some inevitable "march of history" in which they triumphed.

=== real politics ===

These [[Platonist]] or [[Hegelian]] views contrast sharply with the typical attitudes taken by participants in real politics in any kind of [[democracy]]:

Because [[sysop]]s are only in control of an [[epistemic community]] rather than a real one, and are not seen to be physically violent to people who are expressing themselves, some believe that these trends in control seeking behaviour are not very serious. Possibly, just symptoms of damaged personality.

However, the rise in [[Internet activism]] and use of [[blog]] and [[wiki]] [[net media]] by [[political party]] or [[civil society]] or [[social economy]] or [[developing nation]] activists, suggests strongly that the power of sysops can become immensely oppressive in a great many cases.

When confronted with real political issues, the typical sysop applies labels freely, like "[[trolling]]", "[[vandalism]]", decides to challenge certain claims not others, and often is simply expressing biases based on his or her own [[politics]]. Few have [[political virtues]]. In an extremely diverse forum like [[Wikipedia]], this leads to [[Wikipedia factions]] formed in self defense, some of which contest sysop power directly. ''[[Recyclopedia:faction]]s are more pro-active and intended to aid in [[dispute resolution]] without over-simplifying [[political dispute]]s or overly trusting one clique to define them or define a response to them under threat of [[technological escalation]].''

=== dangers ===

It seems inevitable that those pursuing some form of [[bourgeois revolution]], [[Islamic revolution]], [[proletarian revolution]] or even more moderate goals like simple ability for [[developing nation]] readers to access and complete and culturally unbiased archive of knowledge, will come into violent conflict with those who exercise direct control over, e.g. the [[GFDL corpus]]. In any such conflict, it seems quite likely that '''sysopism''' will be exterminated, as it is not an overt [[political movement]], but simply a bunch of very stupid people who are very far in over their heads as far as real politics is concerned. Some experts expect that the first acts of violence against online sysops are quite near at hand, and will be seen before the end of [[2004]].

Similar predictions were made regarding deaths of protestors in the [[anti-globalization movement]], which were realized in [[Genoa]] in late [[2001]].

=== References ===

*[http://singinst.org The Singularity Institute], for all your sysopism needs