Sysop Vandal point of view - Revision history

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	Sometimes just using the word '''cabal''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Troll_Silent%2C_Troll_Deep as Troll Silent, Troll Deep did] triggers hostility and censorship by the cabal itself		Sometimes just using the word '''cabal''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Troll_Silent%2C_Troll_Deep as Troll Silent, Troll Deep did] triggers hostility and censorship by the cabal itself

			The [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] Claims to be opposed to the cabal.

142.177.97.194 at 18:34, 28 June 2004

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	The '''Sysop Vandal point of view''' or '''Cabal point of view''' (usually abbreviated SVpov because [[CPOV]] is used to mean [[Critical point of view]]) is the view of the [[sysop power structure]] and (if applicable) [[GodKing]].		The '''Sysop Vandal point of view''' or '''Cabal point of view''' (usually abbreviated SVpov because [[CPOV]] is used to mean [[Critical point of view]]) is the view of the [[sysop power structure]] and (if applicable) [[GodKing]].

			Some think it is closely associated with [[w:scientism]], that "those who have technological power, are morally superior by definition" and that this POV simply rationalizes infinite [[technological escalation]] by those who think they are fated to always be in possession of technologically superior tools. ''See also [[Apache Helicopter point of view]] and [[Cruise Missile point of view]] and [[Fox News point of view]].''

	The statement '''There is no cabal''' is of course from '''cabal point of view''' and expresses their desire for control with secrecy and no form of outside accountability. It is basically an in-joke.		The statement '''There is no cabal''' is of course from '''cabal point of view''' and expresses their desire for control with secrecy and no form of outside accountability. It is basically an in-joke.

142.177.110.77 at 22:01, 26 June 2004

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	The statement '''There is no cabal''' is of course from '''cabal point of view''' and expresses their desire for control with secrecy and no form of outside accountability. It is basically an in-joke.		The statement '''There is no cabal''' is of course from '''cabal point of view''' and expresses their desire for control with secrecy and no form of outside accountability. It is basically an in-joke.

	By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity, by anything short of political opposition. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus always ~~and exactly~~ the opposite of the SVpov~~, and~~ indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational argument, before the service is subject to real-world opposition (e.g. widespread criticism, legal action, etc.) due to its political importance.		By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity, by anything short of political opposition. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus usually (but not always) the opposite of the SVpov (strictly speaking it is the exact opposite of [[usual happy NPOV talk]]). The NTPOV indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational and reasoned argument, before the service is subject to real-world opposition (e.g. widespread criticism, legal action, etc.) due to its political importance. In general such attempts fail because of the lack of ethics of the sysop-vandals.

	Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become politically irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s, or the more standard revolutionary methods for [[wiki regime change]].		Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become politically irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s, or the more standard revolutionary methods for [[wiki regime change]].

	Sometimes just using the word '''cabal''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Troll_Silent%2C_Troll_Deep as Troll Silent, Troll Deep did] triggers hostility and censorship by the cabal itself		Sometimes just using the word '''cabal''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Troll_Silent%2C_Troll_Deep as Troll Silent, Troll Deep did] triggers hostility and censorship by the cabal itself

142.177.110.77: explaining there is no cabal

2004-06-26T21:54:48Z

explaining there is no cabal

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	The '''Sysop Vandal point of view''' or '''Cabal point of view''' (usually abbreviated SVpov because [[CPOV]] is used to mean [[Critical point of view]]) is the view of the [[sysop power structure]] and (if applicable) [[GodKing]].		The '''Sysop Vandal point of view''' or '''Cabal point of view''' (usually abbreviated SVpov because [[CPOV]] is used to mean [[Critical point of view]]) is the view of the [[sysop power structure]] and (if applicable) [[GodKing]].

			The statement '''There is no cabal''' is of course from '''cabal point of view''' and expresses their desire for control with secrecy and no form of outside accountability. It is basically an in-joke.

	By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity, by anything short of political opposition. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus always and exactly the opposite of the SVpov, and indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational argument, before the service is subject to real-world opposition (e.g. widespread criticism, legal action, etc.) due to its political importance.		By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity, by anything short of political opposition. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus always and exactly the opposite of the SVpov, and indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational argument, before the service is subject to real-world opposition (e.g. widespread criticism, legal action, etc.) due to its political importance.

	Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become politically irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s, or the more standard revolutionary methods for [[wiki regime change]].		Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become politically irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s, or the more standard revolutionary methods for [[wiki regime change]].

			Sometimes just using the word '''cabal''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Troll_Silent%2C_Troll_Deep as Troll Silent, Troll Deep did] triggers hostility and censorship by the cabal itself

Trolling Consumerium: clarify

2004-06-26T12:43:27Z

clarify

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	By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity, by anything short of political opposition. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus always and exactly the opposite of the SVpov, and indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational argument, before the service is subject to real-world opposition (e.g. widespread criticism, legal action, etc.) due to its political importance.		By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity, by anything short of political opposition. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus always and exactly the opposite of the SVpov, and indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational argument, before the service is subject to real-world opposition (e.g. widespread criticism, legal action, etc.) due to its political importance.

	Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s, or the more standard revolutionary methods for [[wiki regime change]].		Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become politically irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s, or the more standard revolutionary methods for [[wiki regime change]].

Trolling Consumerium: replaced ref. to violence with

2004-06-26T12:42:07Z

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	The '''Sysop Vandal point of view''' or '''Cabal point of view''' (usually abbreviated SVpov because [[CPOV]] is used to mean [[Critical point of view]]) is the view of the [[sysop power structure]] and (if applicable) [[GodKing]].		The '''Sysop Vandal point of view''' or '''Cabal point of view''' (usually abbreviated SVpov because [[CPOV]] is used to mean [[Critical point of view]]) is the view of the [[sysop power structure]] and (if applicable) [[GodKing]].

	By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus always and exactly the opposite of the SVpov, and indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational argument.		By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity, by anything short of political opposition. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus always and exactly the opposite of the SVpov, and indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational argument, before the service is subject to real-world opposition (e.g. widespread criticism, legal action, etc.) due to its political importance.

	Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s, or the more standard revolutionary methods for [[wiki regime change]].		Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s, or the more standard revolutionary methods for [[wiki regime change]].

Jukeboksi at 08:16, 26 June 2004

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	The '''Sysop Vandal point of view''' or '''Cabal point of view''' (usually abbreviated SVpov because [[CPOV]] is used to mean [[Critical point of view]]) is the view of the [[sysop power structure]] and (if applicable) [[GodKing]].		The '''Sysop Vandal point of view''' or '''Cabal point of view''' (usually abbreviated SVpov because [[CPOV]] is used to mean [[Critical point of view]]) is the view of the [[sysop power structure]] and (if applicable) [[GodKing]].

	By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity ~~by anything short of brutal physical violence~~. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus always and exactly the opposite of the SVpov, and indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational argument~~, before someone blows up the servers~~.		By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus always and exactly the opposite of the SVpov, and indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational argument.

	Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s, or the more standard revolutionary methods for [[wiki regime change]].		Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s, or the more standard revolutionary methods for [[wiki regime change]].

142.177.103.70 at 00:21, 26 June 2004

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	By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity by anything short of brutal physical violence. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus always and exactly the opposite of the SVpov, and indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational argument, before someone blows up the servers.		By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity by anything short of brutal physical violence. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus always and exactly the opposite of the SVpov, and indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational argument, before someone blows up the servers.

	Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s.		Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s, or the more standard revolutionary methods for [[wiki regime change]].

142.177.103.70 at 00:19, 26 June 2004

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	The '''Sysop Vandal point of view''' or '''Cabal point of view''' (usually abbreviated SVpov because [[CPOV]] is used to mean [[Critical point of view]]) is the view of the [[sysop power structure]]. By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity by anything short of brutal physical violence. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus always and exactly the opposite of the SVpov, and indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational argument, before someone blows up the servers.		The '''Sysop Vandal point of view''' or '''Cabal point of view''' (usually abbreviated SVpov because [[CPOV]] is used to mean [[Critical point of view]]) is the view of the [[sysop power structure]] and (if applicable) [[GodKing]].

			By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity by anything short of brutal physical violence. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus always and exactly the opposite of the SVpov, and indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational argument, before someone blows up the servers.

	Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s.		Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s.

142.177.103.70 at 23:38, 25 June 2004

2004-06-25T23:38:08Z

New page

The '''Sysop Vandal point of view''' or '''Cabal point of view''' (usually abbreviated SVpov because [[CPOV]] is used to mean [[Critical point of view]]) is the view of the [[sysop power structure]]. By definition, any group of people approves of their own [[systemic bias]] and rejects strong opposition to it. This forms a [[cabal]] which new [[trolls]], perhaps foolishly, oppose in the assumption that the cabal can be forced to see sanity by anything short of brutal physical violence. The [[New Troll point of view]] is thus always and exactly the opposite of the SVpov, and indicates ethical attempts by [[trolls]] to defeat the SVpov by rational argument, before someone blows up the servers.

Thus [[troll]] activity acts as an important warning to the [[sysop vandalism]] advocates - when it slacks off, that indicates either that the wiki has become irrelevant, or, that opposition will continue by other means, e.g. [[lawsuit]]s.