Simple English - Revision history

142.177.114.228: why we must define it

2004-01-07T22:53:46Z

why we must define it

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	~~The [http://simple.wikipedia.org~~ Simple English ~~Wikipedia] has short articles on many of the [[glossary]] items, using, predictably, simple English.~~		'''Simple English''' is:

	~~It has been suggested that Consumerium should link~~ to those, not to the [~~http://wiktionary~~.~~org Wiktionary~~] or [~~http://wikipedia~~.~~org Full English Wikipedia~~] ~~ones~~, for ~~the following reasons:~~		#. A [[defining vocabulary]] suitable to reliably explain even quite complex aspects of English speaking culture to those who did not grow up with it, or have not grown up ''yet'' (i.e. are children). This is at least [[2000 words]].
			#. For purposes of defining the simplest terms and explaining what other concepts must be understood first, a core [[1000 words]]. This is not however enough to provide more than extremely basic, dictionary-like, definitions, and these will be quite generalized and abstract, and may easily give the wrong impression. For this reason this vocabulary should be used only the [[user interface]] and [[first paragraph]] and [[wiki page title]] if possible... although for coordination with [[Full English]] it is probably not possible to keep page titles strictly simple.
			#. Essentially an extended and annotated [[glossary]] that non-English-native speakers can use to work through fairly complex statements in English even if they have little or no background in it, by looking up word by word. This is what makes it possible to use Simple English as a baseline for [[translation]].
			#. Active tense should be preferred over passive tense if only because it means fewer and shorter words, e.g. [[buy local]] as opposed to [[local purchasing]]. It may also be taken as advocacy or describing an action rather than an abstract idea, but that's fine, we're advocates, and we like action, and [[trolls]] hate ideas, except for breakfast.

			=== What isn't Simple ===

			The poorly named [[Simple English Wikipedia]] does not obey these rules, or any rational strategy to deal with [[culturally defined]] or [[factionally defined]] terms, and cannot serve the purposes it claims to. In fact it is a project with no clear mission at all, that cannot possibly provide sufficiently rich articles to serve as a basis for translation. This is for political not editorial reasons - see [[enemy projects]]. For similar reasons (lack of [[defining vocabulary]]) links to [http://wiktionary.org Wiktionary] should also be avoided. Links to [http://wikipedia.org Full English Wikipedia] require far too much vocabulary, as there is no restriction on use of even the most uncommon English words, and
			those articles link to hundreds of thousands of other articles, which is simply too open-ended to provide as part of the [[Consumerium buying signal]] - one thing [[What Consumerium is not\|Consumerium is not]] is a Wikipedia interface.

			=== Why we care ===

			Nonetheless, we should work in a genuine but still usable Simple English of our own design:
	*It is far more likely that a short limited-vocabulary article will suit our purposes better than a long one in a 10,000 word (or worse) vocabulary.		*It is far more likely that a short limited-vocabulary article will suit our purposes better than a long one in a 10,000 word (or worse) vocabulary.
			*Translated versions will more and more be based on the Simple English ones, and we want [[Consumerium Languages]] to be at least as extensive as the 22 that are presently supported at [[Wikipedia]], so that we can help manage the [[GFDL text corpus]], and perhaps even replace Wikipedia in some missions.
	*Translated versions will more and more be based on the Simple English ones, and we want [[Consumerium Languages]] to be at least as extensive as [[Wikipedia ~~languages~~]] ~~eventually~~

	All [[Consumerium Concepts]] should be well enough defined in Simple English for anyone who speaks [[English as a second language]] (only) to be able to contribute on an equal footing with native speakers. If the concepts cannot be defined in this way, they are probably wrong. There is nothing like simplicity to uncover errors and assumptions.		All [[Consumerium Concepts]] should be well enough defined in Simple English for anyone who speaks [[English as a second language]] (only) to be able to contribute on an equal footing with native speakers. If the concepts cannot be defined in this way, they are probably wrong. There is nothing like simplicity to uncover errors and assumptions.
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	[[Consumerium Contract]]s (sort of a [[social contract]] around which [[social capital]] or reputation collects) form the basis of [[faction]]s, so they must also be easy to understand, which means writing them in Simple English as well.		[[Consumerium Contract]]s (sort of a [[social contract]] around which [[social capital]] or reputation collects) form the basis of [[faction]]s, so they must also be easy to understand, which means writing them in Simple English as well.

	~~See also: [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges RecentChanges at~~ the Simple English ~~Wikipedia~~] - and [~~http://simple~~.~~wikipedia~~.~~org/wiki/Special:Newpages New Articles]~~		If we do a good job, we will effectively be the ones defining what "Simple English" really means, as we will have the most rigorous definitions of the exact terms required to define [[factionally defined]] [[glossary]] items and any [[culturally defined]] idioms - and literally nothing else. This will be a [[2000 words]] core with the more limited [[1000 words]] for control purposes.
			However, it's up to us. Our requirements and dedication to our mission make it impossible to rely on any other project to define what is "Simple" for us.

Angela: update links now on the new software, rm bit about 2000 words - not being adhered to and not likely to, present tense

2003-12-19T05:01:58Z

update links now on the new software, rm bit about 2000 words - not being adhered to and not likely to, present tense

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	The [http://simple.wikipedia.org Simple English Wikipedia] ~~will have~~ short articles on ~~all~~ of the [[glossary]] items, using ~~at most [[2000 words]]~~.		The [http://simple.wikipedia.org Simple English Wikipedia] has short articles on many of the [[glossary]] items, using, predictably, simple English.

	We should link to those, not to the [http://wiktionary.org Wiktionary] or [http://wikipedia.org Full English Wikipedia] ones, for the following reasons:		It has been suggested that Consumerium should link to those, not to the [http://wiktionary.org Wiktionary] or [http://wikipedia.org Full English Wikipedia] ones, for the following reasons:

	*It is far more likely that a short limited-vocabulary article will suit our purposes better than a long one in a 10,000 word (or worse) vocabulary.		*It is far more likely that a short limited-vocabulary article will suit our purposes better than a long one in a 10,000 word (or worse) vocabulary.
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	[[Consumerium Contract]]s (sort of a [[social contract]] around which [[social capital]] or reputation collects) form the basis of [[faction]]s, so they must also be easy to understand, which means writing them in Simple English as well.		[[Consumerium Contract]]s (sort of a [[social contract]] around which [[social capital]] or reputation collects) form the basis of [[faction]]s, so they must also be easy to understand, which means writing them in Simple English as well.

	See also: [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki~~.cgi?RecentChanges~~ RecentChanges at the Simple English Wikipedia] - and [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki~~.cgi?NewArticles~~ New Articles]		See also: [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges RecentChanges at the Simple English Wikipedia] - and [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Newpages New Articles]

142.177.97.192 at 21:30, 8 October 2003

2003-10-08T21:30:27Z

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	[[Consumerium Contract]]s (sort of a [[social contract]] around which [[social capital]] or reputation collects) form the basis of [[faction]]s, so they must also be easy to understand, which means writing them in Simple English as well.		[[Consumerium Contract]]s (sort of a [[social contract]] around which [[social capital]] or reputation collects) form the basis of [[faction]]s, so they must also be easy to understand, which means writing them in Simple English as well.

			See also: [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki.cgi?RecentChanges RecentChanges at the Simple English Wikipedia] - and [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki.cgi?NewArticles New Articles]

142.177.82.161: why we should use it here

2003-10-08T17:51:40Z

why we should use it here

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The [http://simple.wikipedia.org Simple English Wikipedia] will have short articles on all of the [[glossary]] items, using at most [[2000 words]].

We should link to those, not to the [http://wiktionary.org Wiktionary] or [http://wikipedia.org Full English Wikipedia] ones, for the following reasons:

*It is far more likely that a short limited-vocabulary article will suit our purposes better than a long one in a 10,000 word (or worse) vocabulary.

*Translated versions will more and more be based on the Simple English ones, and we want [[Consumerium Languages]] to be at least as extensive as [[Wikipedia languages]] eventually

All [[Consumerium Concepts]] should be well enough defined in Simple English for anyone who speaks [[English as a second language]] (only) to be able to contribute on an equal footing with native speakers. If the concepts cannot be defined in this way, they are probably wrong. There is nothing like simplicity to uncover errors and assumptions.

[[Consumerium Contract]]s (sort of a [[social contract]] around which [[social capital]] or reputation collects) form the basis of [[faction]]s, so they must also be easy to understand, which means writing them in Simple English as well.