Research Wiki pilot - Revision history

Jukeboksi: On the programming and data fetching side auto stub generation is one essential feature to pursue.

2004-09-21T18:52:47Z

On the programming and data fetching side auto stub generation is one essential feature to pursue.

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	A simple plan for implementing what was in the old days referred to as [[The Consumerium Exchange]] is presented at [[Simple model for expressing opinions]] which can be implemented with only minimal [[MediaWiki modifications\|additions/changes]] to the [[MediaWiki]] software. This plan must be meticulously checked before it is made into an official [[policy]]. It contains a few vulnerabilities to attacks, some of which can be detected and prevented (after or before they happen) and some attacks mostly diluting the reputation of the voting system by utilising [[sock puppet]]s. A more elaborate [[voting]] system may be later on implemented, but this is what we start with.		A simple plan for implementing what was in the old days referred to as [[The Consumerium Exchange]] is presented at [[Simple model for expressing opinions]] which can be implemented with only minimal [[MediaWiki modifications\|additions/changes]] to the [[MediaWiki]] software. This plan must be meticulously checked before it is made into an official [[policy]]. It contains a few vulnerabilities to attacks, some of which can be detected and prevented (after or before they happen) and some attacks mostly diluting the reputation of the voting system by utilising [[sock puppet]]s. A more elaborate [[voting]] system may be later on implemented, but this is what we start with.

			On the programming and data fetching side [[auto stub generation]] is one essential [[feature]] to pursue.

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Jukeboksi: on to the practical side

2004-09-21T18:28:38Z

on to the practical side

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			===On starting the Research Wiki pilot===
			It is clear that a [[policy]] that deals with deletions and such has to be formed.

			Research Wiki will have namespaces for [[Product]], [[Company]] and [[Group]]. [[Product Group]]s will be implemented as [[categories]] with nesting. [[Brand]]s may also be implemented as categories, this is yet unclear.

			A good plan for the order of adding things is needed. For example documenting (retail)[[channel]]s should be quite quickly brought to as close to 100% coverage as soon as possible since when adding products we will have to begin with a goal of 0,01% coverage. Another reason for this is that the [[Consumerium:intermediate product page]] links to channels where it is sold starting with one or more retail chains where a product is found. This is necessary for providing a view to which products in a certain store have articles on them by utilizing the special:whatlinkshere function.

			A simple plan for implementing what was in the old days referred to as [[The Consumerium Exchange]] is presented at [[Simple model for expressing opinions]] which can be implemented with only minimal [[MediaWiki modifications\|additions/changes]] to the [[MediaWiki]] software. This plan must be meticulously checked before it is made into an official [[policy]]. It contains a few vulnerabilities to attacks, some of which can be detected and prevented (after or before they happen) and some attacks mostly diluting the reputation of the voting system by utilising [[sock puppet]]s. A more elaborate [[voting]] system may be later on implemented, but this is what we start with.

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	The [[Research Wiki]] is the easiest element of a [[pilot project]] to start.		The [[Research Wiki]] is the easiest element of a [[pilot project]] to start.

Jukeboksi: rm the usual troll rethorics

2004-09-21T18:12:16Z

rm the usual troll rethorics

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	These pilot wikis are small and don't have a lot of [[wiki management]] problems yet. The above are the minimum required to achieve at least near-convergence. Other structural stuff like [[best cases]], [[worst cases]], [[user stories]], etc., [[trolls]] leave to you to manage. It's probably best to avoid that structure for now - it only starts to matter once there is a very rigorous mission, that fails easily, or, far too many people involved.		These pilot wikis are small and don't have a lot of [[wiki management]] problems yet. The above are the minimum required to achieve at least near-convergence. Other structural stuff like [[best cases]], [[worst cases]], [[user stories]], etc., [[trolls]] leave to you to manage. It's probably best to avoid that structure for now - it only starts to matter once there is a very rigorous mission, that fails easily, or, far too many people involved.

	'''Consumerpedia'' isn't there, but, it's already adopting bad habits from there. An example of this kind of problems is [[Symbolwiki]] which [[Angela]] has begun to destroy. She is destroying its [[troll-friendly]] start with her sysop status. Similarly, you will never be able to use one scrap of what's at [[Consumerpedia]] to create a [[Consumerium:intermediate page]] or ever affect a [[Consumerium buying signal]] if she gets involved. She is absolute poison to projects that have to work from actual user [[buying criteria]]. And it may be that [[User:DanKeshet]] is no better. Certainly he's off to a bad start.

	=== serious ===		=== serious ===

142.177.114.181: no "Wikipedians" please, we need people who are not globs of status-seeking-control-imposing-technology-driven shit to be in charge, to get anything done

2004-04-02T20:27:18Z

no "Wikipedians" please, we need people who are not globs of status-seeking-control-imposing-technology-driven shit to be in charge, to get anything done

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The [[Research Wiki]] is the easiest element of a [[pilot project]] to start.

Accordingly, many poorly qualified people with no clue about [[wiki management]] seem to be starting some based on the principles of [[GodKing]] control, [[sysop power structure]], [[sysop vigilantiism]] and [[sysop vandalism]]: [[Consumerpedia]] in particular has accepted all these norms.

[[CorpKnowPedia]] seems to be run by an experienced activist and may do better. However, its objectives are more limited and interaction with it more arm's length. Thus, it is not really an adequate '''Research Wiki pilot''' either.

[[Consumerium:We|We]] all seem to agree that a close relationship with some external sources of [[Research Wiki]] input is desirable and necessary. The [[Consumerium:intermediate page]]s are too difficult to maintain alone with a development-focused effort like [[Consumerium]]. It needs some convergence:

=== convergence ===

Convergence is far simpler if some basic conventions are followed very early, and some essential concepts have the same names everywhere: [[buying criteria]], [[comprehensive outcome]], [[economic choice]], [[moral purchasing]], [[political consumerism]], [[fair trade]], [[safe trade]], and [[externalities]] like [[deforestation]], [[extinction]], [[slavery]], etc.

From [[Consumerpedia point of view]], different [[GFDL corpus]] might well be appropriate, and they might not always converge with those of [[Consumerium itself]]. But, it's easier to track that by making sure that [[essential projects]] have at least the most basic terminology in common, e.g. that[http://www.channel1.com/users/dkesh/consumerpedia/index.php/Consumerpedia:We en: Consumerpedia: "we"],[http://www.channel1.com/users/dkesh/consumerpedia/index.php/Consumerpedia:Policy en: Consumerpedia: "Policy"] and
[http://www.channel1.com/users/dkesh/consumerpedia/index.php/Consumerpedia:itself en: Consumerpedia: "itself"] have the usual meanings. ''An [[interwiki link standard]] would be handy about now!''

Such wikis all need to get off on the right foot: [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] (perhaps [[CIV]] should be high on the investigation priorities list. If after all that work you're still buying from Gus via CIV, then, '''Consumerpedia''' will just be an [[enemy project|enemy projects]] that distracts and distorts the reality. It does seem to be becoming exactly that sort of a project now!

=== near-convergence ===

[[Consumerium Service access]] that doesn't need [[worn device]]s could all happen through research sources directly if they converged perfectly on definitions of some concepts:

We must at least share [[comprehensive outcome]] and [[economic choice]] and very exact descriptions of [[externalities]] is a real mistake. It's going to take work to get everyone agreeing on all that! But without it, you have no [[consensus]] about what is actually worth documenting about a company, no standard terms to use, "what links here" becomes useless, and etc.

=== managing ===

These pilot wikis are small and don't have a lot of [[wiki management]] problems yet. The above are the minimum required to achieve at least near-convergence. Other structural stuff like [[best cases]], [[worst cases]], [[user stories]], etc., [[trolls]] leave to you to manage. It's probably best to avoid that structure for now - it only starts to matter once there is a very rigorous mission, that fails easily, or, far too many people involved.

'''Consumerpedia'' isn't there, but, it's already adopting bad habits from there. An example of this kind of problems is [[Symbolwiki]] which [[Angela]] has begun to destroy. She is destroying its [[troll-friendly]] start with her sysop status. Similarly, you will never be able to use one scrap of what's at [[Consumerpedia]] to create a [[Consumerium:intermediate page]] or ever affect a [[Consumerium buying signal]] if she gets involved. She is absolute poison to projects that have to work from actual user [[buying criteria]]. And it may be that [[User:DanKeshet]] is no better. Certainly he's off to a bad start.

=== serious ===

A serious '''Research Wiki pilot''' probably must be run by people who share our values, such as [[Greenpeace]], [[Adbusters]], [[Earth First]] or some other principles-driven, not technology-and-status-driven, real-world group.

Ideally people who have never heard of [[Wikipedia]] would be running the thing.