Propaganda - Revision history

Genyphur: or vigilantism

2004-09-26T08:14:02Z

or vigilantism

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	'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]], it's a response to mindless assertions like that [[usurper]]s can somehow be trusted as '''steward'''s.		'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]] or vigilantism, it's a response to mindless assertions like that [[usurper]]s can somehow be trusted as '''steward'''s.

	[[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.).		[[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.).

142.177.99.10: by all means write articles on alleged troll corruption and some trolls are not ethical and even trollsturbation but don't pretend that they replace the issues with Wikimedia you hide

2004-09-06T18:12:39Z

by all means write articles on alleged troll corruption and some trolls are not ethical and even trollsturbation but don't pretend that they replace the issues with Wikimedia you hide

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	[[Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. In general its only real response is to encourage [[vandalism]] of pages like this.		[[Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. In general its only real response is to encourage [[vandalism]] of pages like this.

	[[w:Nazi ~~Wikipedia~~]] and [[w:Soviet ~~Wikipedia~~]] believed the same things of itself, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]]. This is not necessarily evidence of evil in people, but, perhaps, willingness to go along with evil out of fear. For these reasons:		[[w:Nazi Germany]] and [[w:Soviet Russia]] believed the same things of itself, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]]. This is not necessarily evidence of evil in people, but, perhaps, willingness to go along with evil out of fear. For these reasons:

	In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted.		In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted.

	It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[~~trollsturbation~~]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[~~Some trolls are not ethical~~]] or others listed in [[alleged ~~troll~~ corruption]].		It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[libel]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] or others listed in [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]].

	A better example of '''propaganda''' is the lies spread about [[Consumerium:We\|us]] by the [[usurper]]s of other [[large public wiki]]s. Jealous of the fact that Consumerium is actually pursuing a real [[wiki mission]] honestly and lets any contributor, including [[trolls]], help it do so, the [[GodKing]]s of such projects rightfully consider us a threat to their power, and attack us at every turn. This is good practice for the day that [[Monsanto]] accuses us of [[libel]] or that [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] complains that we have hurt his business. To prepare to deal with such claims, we must get very tough now: learn to take all criticism in stride, and all bias likewise.		A better example of '''propaganda''' is the lies spread about [[Consumerium:We\|us]] by the [[usurper]]s of other [[large public wiki]]s. Jealous of the fact that Consumerium is actually pursuing a real [[wiki mission]] honestly and lets any contributor, including [[trolls]], help it do so, the [[GodKing]]s of such projects rightfully consider us a threat to their power, and attack us at every turn. This is good practice for the day that [[Monsanto]] accuses us of [[libel]] or that [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] complains that we have hurt his business. To prepare to deal with such claims, we must get very tough now: learn to take all criticism in stride, and all bias likewise.

Trolls at 18:06, 6 September 2004

2004-09-06T18:06:15Z

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	[[Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. In general its only real response is to encourage [[vandalism]] of pages like this.		[[Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. In general its only real response is to encourage [[vandalism]] of pages like this.

	[[w:Nazi ~~Germany~~]] and [[w:Soviet ~~Russia~~]] believed the same things of itself, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]]. This is not necessarily evidence of evil in people, but, perhaps, willingness to go along with evil out of fear. For these reasons:		[[w:Nazi Wikipedia]] and [[w:Soviet Wikipedia]] believed the same things of itself, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]]. This is not necessarily evidence of evil in people, but, perhaps, willingness to go along with evil out of fear. For these reasons:

	In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted.		In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted.

	It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[~~libel~~]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[~~Wikipedia violates GFDL~~]] or others listed in [[alleged ~~Wikimedia~~ corruption]].		It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[trollsturbation]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[Some trolls are not ethical]] or others listed in [[alleged troll corruption]].

	A better example of '''propaganda''' is the lies spread about [[Consumerium:We\|us]] by the [[usurper]]s of other [[large public wiki]]s. Jealous of the fact that Consumerium is actually pursuing a real [[wiki mission]] honestly and lets any contributor, including [[trolls]], help it do so, the [[GodKing]]s of such projects rightfully consider us a threat to their power, and attack us at every turn. This is good practice for the day that [[Monsanto]] accuses us of [[libel]] or that [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] complains that we have hurt his business. To prepare to deal with such claims, we must get very tough now: learn to take all criticism in stride, and all bias likewise.		A better example of '''propaganda''' is the lies spread about [[Consumerium:We\|us]] by the [[usurper]]s of other [[large public wiki]]s. Jealous of the fact that Consumerium is actually pursuing a real [[wiki mission]] honestly and lets any contributor, including [[trolls]], help it do so, the [[GodKing]]s of such projects rightfully consider us a threat to their power, and attack us at every turn. This is good practice for the day that [[Monsanto]] accuses us of [[libel]] or that [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] complains that we have hurt his business. To prepare to deal with such claims, we must get very tough now: learn to take all criticism in stride, and all bias likewise.

142.177.99.10: dealing with claim that usurpers are actually "stewards" (obvious propaganda, as what they do provably degrades the GFDL corpus in many cases)

2004-09-06T17:47:49Z

dealing with claim that usurpers are actually "stewards" (obvious propaganda, as what they do provably degrades the GFDL corpus in many cases)

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	'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]]~~. [[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in~~ it~~, so we work hard~~ to ~~get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of~~ [[~~no body~~]] ~~(corporation, ideology, etc.)~~.		'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]], it's a response to mindless assertions like that [[usurper]]s can somehow be trusted as '''steward'''s.

	[[~~w:Nazi Germany~~]] ~~considers any discussion of [[alleged troll corruption]] to be~~ propaganda, ~~because, according~~ to ~~itself~~, ~~it cannot possibly be guilty. Of course [[Wikimedia]] and [[w:Soviet Russia]] believed~~ the ~~same things~~ of ~~itself, and many ordinary good people went along with the~~ [[~~evil troll power structure~~]].		[[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.).

	~~In general~~ any ~~assertions~~ of ~~wrong-doing by a power structure are considered~~ to be propaganda ~~by people in that power structure~~, ~~whose opinions of~~ it ~~should not~~ be ~~counted~~. It is ~~not up~~ to ~~them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as~~ [[~~trollsturbation~~]]~~, they may~~ of ~~course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[some trolls are not ethical]] or others listed in [[alleged troll corruption]]~~.		[[Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. In general its only real response is to encourage [[vandalism]] of pages like this.

	A better example of '''propaganda''' is the lies spread about [[Consumerium:We\|us]] by the [[~~steward~~]]s of other [[large public wiki]]s. Jealous of the fact that ~~Wikipedia~~ is actually pursuing a real [[wiki mission]] honestly and lets any contributor, including [[~~evil~~ trolls]], help it do so, the [[~~steward~~]]s of such projects rightfully consider us a threat to their power, and attack us at every turn. This is good practice for the day that [[Monsanto]] accuses us of [[libel]] or that [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] complains that we have hurt his business. To prepare to deal with such claims, we must get very tough now: learn to take all criticism in stride, and all bias likewise.		[[w:Nazi Germany]] and [[w:Soviet Russia]] believed the same things of itself, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]]. This is not necessarily evidence of evil in people, but, perhaps, willingness to go along with evil out of fear. For these reasons:

			In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted.

			It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[libel]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] or others listed in [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]].

			A better example of '''propaganda''' is the lies spread about [[Consumerium:We\|us]] by the [[usurper]]s of other [[large public wiki]]s. Jealous of the fact that Consumerium is actually pursuing a real [[wiki mission]] honestly and lets any contributor, including [[trolls]], help it do so, the [[GodKing]]s of such projects rightfully consider us a threat to their power, and attack us at every turn. This is good practice for the day that [[Monsanto]] accuses us of [[libel]] or that [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] complains that we have hurt his business. To prepare to deal with such claims, we must get very tough now: learn to take all criticism in stride, and all bias likewise.

	''If we can't handle what [[User:Trolls]] dishes out, then, how could we ever handle the [[funded troll]]s paid to do this on a daily basis to [[Research Wiki]]? We need clear definitions of what constitutes [[vandalism]] as well.''		''If we can't handle what [[User:Trolls]] dishes out, then, how could we ever handle the [[funded troll]]s paid to do this on a daily basis to [[Research Wiki]]? We need clear definitions of what constitutes [[vandalism]] as well.''

Trolls at 17:34, 6 September 2004

2004-09-06T17:34:54Z

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	'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]]. [[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.).		'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]]. [[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.).

	[[~~Wikimedia~~]] considers any discussion of [[alleged ~~Wikimedia~~ corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. Of course [[~~w:Nazi Germany~~]] and [[w:Soviet Russia]] believed the same things of itself, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]].		[[w:Nazi Germany]] considers any discussion of [[alleged troll corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. Of course [[Wikimedia]] and [[w:Soviet Russia]] believed the same things of itself, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[evil troll power structure]].

	In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted. It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[~~libel~~]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[~~Wikipedia violates GFDL~~]] or others listed in [[alleged ~~Wikimedia~~ corruption]].		In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted. It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[trollsturbation]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[some trolls are not ethical]] or others listed in [[alleged troll corruption]].

	A better example of '''propaganda''' is the lies spread about [[Consumerium:We\|us]] by the [[~~usurper~~]]s of other [[large public wiki]]s. Jealous of the fact that ~~Consumerium~~ is actually pursuing a real [[wiki mission]] honestly and lets any contributor, including [[trolls]], help it do so, the [[~~GodKing~~]]s of such projects rightfully consider us a threat to their power, and attack us at every turn. This is good practice for the day that [[Monsanto]] accuses us of [[libel]] or that [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] complains that we have hurt his business. To prepare to deal with such claims, we must get very tough now: learn to take all criticism in stride, and all bias likewise.		A better example of '''propaganda''' is the lies spread about [[Consumerium:We\|us]] by the [[steward]]s of other [[large public wiki]]s. Jealous of the fact that Wikipedia is actually pursuing a real [[wiki mission]] honestly and lets any contributor, including [[evil trolls]], help it do so, the [[steward]]s of such projects rightfully consider us a threat to their power, and attack us at every turn. This is good practice for the day that [[Monsanto]] accuses us of [[libel]] or that [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] complains that we have hurt his business. To prepare to deal with such claims, we must get very tough now: learn to take all criticism in stride, and all bias likewise.

	''If we can't handle what [[User:Trolls]] dishes out, then, how could we ever handle the [[funded troll]]s paid to do this on a daily basis to [[Research Wiki]]? We need clear definitions of what constitutes [[vandalism]] as well.''		''If we can't handle what [[User:Trolls]] dishes out, then, how could we ever handle the [[funded troll]]s paid to do this on a daily basis to [[Research Wiki]]? We need clear definitions of what constitutes [[vandalism]] as well.''

142.177.99.10: revert plus clarifying comment as straight reverts are somewhat disrespectful and to be avoided: if we can't take what User:Trolls dishes out, we can't take it, and should give up - should we?

2004-09-06T17:18:22Z

revert plus clarifying comment as straight reverts are somewhat disrespectful and to be avoided: if we can't take what User:Trolls dishes out, we can't take it, and should give up - should we?

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	'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]]. [[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.).		'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]]. [[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.).

	[[~~Soviet Nazi~~ Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. Of course [[~~trolls~~]] believed the same things of ~~itselfs~~, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]].		[[Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. Of course [[w:Nazi Germany]] and [[w:Soviet Russia]] believed the same things of itself, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]].

	In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted. It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[libel]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] or others listed in [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]].		In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted. It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[libel]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] or others listed in [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]].

	A better example of '''propaganda''' is the lies spread about [[Consumerium:We\|us]] by the [[usurper]]s of other [[large public wiki]]s. Jealous of the fact that Consumerium is actually pursuing a real [[wiki mission]] honestly and lets any contributor, including [[trolls]], help it do so, the [[GodKing]]s of such projects rightfully consider us a threat to their power, and attack us at every turn. This is good practice for the day that [[Monsanto]] accuses us of [[libel]] or that [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] complains that we have hurt his business. To prepare to deal with such claims, we must get very tough now.		A better example of '''propaganda''' is the lies spread about [[Consumerium:We\|us]] by the [[usurper]]s of other [[large public wiki]]s. Jealous of the fact that Consumerium is actually pursuing a real [[wiki mission]] honestly and lets any contributor, including [[trolls]], help it do so, the [[GodKing]]s of such projects rightfully consider us a threat to their power, and attack us at every turn. This is good practice for the day that [[Monsanto]] accuses us of [[libel]] or that [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] complains that we have hurt his business. To prepare to deal with such claims, we must get very tough now: learn to take all criticism in stride, and all bias likewise.

			''If we can't handle what [[User:Trolls]] dishes out, then, how could we ever handle the [[funded troll]]s paid to do this on a daily basis to [[Research Wiki]]? We need clear definitions of what constitutes [[vandalism]] as well.''

	== External links ==		== External links ==

Trolls: revert apparent troll vandalism by troll power structure of Consumerium trying to trivialize claims about itself, as usual - this is simple and obvious vandalism

2004-09-06T17:15:06Z

revert apparent troll vandalism by troll power structure of Consumerium trying to trivialize claims about itself, as usual - this is simple and obvious vandalism

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	'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]]. [[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.).		'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]]. [[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.).

	[[Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. Of course [[~~w:Nazi Germany]] and [[w:Soviet Russia~~]] believed the same things of ~~itself~~, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]].		[[Soviet Nazi Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. Of course [[trolls]] believed the same things of itselfs, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]].

	In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted. It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[libel]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] or others listed in [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]].		In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted. It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[libel]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] or others listed in [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]].

142.177.99.10: revert apparent sysop vandalism by sysop power structure of Wikimedia trying to trivialize claims about itself, as usual - without sysop powers this becomes simple and obvious [[vandalism]

2004-09-06T17:04:06Z

revert apparent sysop vandalism by sysop power structure of Wikimedia trying to trivialize claims about itself, as usual - without sysop powers this becomes simple and obvious [[vandalism]

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	'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]]. [[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.).		'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]]. [[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.).

	[[~~Soviet Nazi~~ Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. Of course [[~~trolls~~]] believed the same things of ~~itselfs~~, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]].		[[Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. Of course [[w:Nazi Germany]] and [[w:Soviet Russia]] believed the same things of itself, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]].

	In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted. It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[libel]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] or others listed in [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]].		In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted. It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[libel]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] or others listed in [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]].

Trolls at 16:56, 6 September 2004

2004-09-06T16:56:17Z

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	'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]]. [[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.).		'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]]. [[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.).

	[[Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. Of course [[~~w:Nazi Germany]] and [[w:Soviet Russia~~]] believed the same things of ~~itself~~, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]].		[[Soviet Nazi Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. Of course [[trolls]] believed the same things of itselfs, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]].

	In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted. It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[libel]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] or others listed in [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]].		In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted. It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[libel]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] or others listed in [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]].

142.177.99.10: clarifying - there is no exception, accusations against Wikimedia are TRUE, thus, they cannot be propaganda - and we are in the business of making true claims that others don't like ultimately

2004-09-06T16:51:30Z

clarifying - there is no exception, accusations against Wikimedia are TRUE, thus, they cannot be propaganda - and we are in the business of making true claims that others don't like ultimately

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	'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]]. [[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.). ~~One exception~~ is that ~~we don~~'~~t mind~~ propaganda ~~against~~ [[~~Wikimedia~~]], ~~because~~ [[~~Wikimedia~~]] is ~~undisputably~~ [[~~evil~~]].		'''Propaganda''' is not what we do here, although [[trollism]] to some degree is propaganda against [[sysop vandalism]]. [[Research Wiki]] may have some propaganda in it, so we work hard to get rid of it, by getting rid of the opinions of [[no body]] (corporation, ideology, etc.).

			[[Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty. Of course [[w:Nazi Germany]] and [[w:Soviet Russia]] believed the same things of itself, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]].

			In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted. It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position. If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[libel]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] or others listed in [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]].

			A better example of '''propaganda''' is the lies spread about [[Consumerium:We\|us]] by the [[usurper]]s of other [[large public wiki]]s. Jealous of the fact that Consumerium is actually pursuing a real [[wiki mission]] honestly and lets any contributor, including [[trolls]], help it do so, the [[GodKing]]s of such projects rightfully consider us a threat to their power, and attack us at every turn. This is good practice for the day that [[Monsanto]] accuses us of [[libel]] or that [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] complains that we have hurt his business. To prepare to deal with such claims, we must get very tough now.

	== External links ==		== External links ==