Opinion Wiki - Revision history

142.177.94.38: updating, not moving the body YET

2004-08-05T16:51:33Z

updating, not moving the body YET

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	There is little consensus on this issue yet, and some terms are [[factionally defined]]. ~~''An alternative name~~ [[~~Research Wiki~~]] ~~has been proposed~~ for ~~this function, recognizing that there is some overlap between the R&D wiki function and~~ the ~~long-term need to track trends in terminology, [[faction]] debates~~ and ~~discovery of what is actually considered~~ [[~~fair~~]] ~~for the [[Content Wiki]] (or [[Signal Wiki]] in the alternative naming scheme) versus what is "subjective"~~.''		''There is little consensus on this issue yet, and some terms are [[factionally defined]]. See [[what to accept as fact]] for more on the basic questions and how they affect [[moral purchasing potential]].''

			[[Trolls]] argue:
			:''[[Research Wiki]] is the present name proposed for this function, recognizing that there is some overlap between the R&D wiki function and the long-term need to track trends in terminology, [[faction]] debates and discovery of what is actually considered [[fair]] for the [[Publish Wiki]] in the alternative naming scheme) versus what is "subjective".''

			[[Lawyers]] argue:
	:''Please see the [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&diff=0&oldid=1495 The Diff from the last version] or [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&oldid=1495 The original article] for a simpler view before horde(s) of [[trolls]] edited. Or see [[best cases]] for how the opinion wiki should enable the whole project.''		:''Please see the [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&diff=0&oldid=1495 The Diff from the last version] or [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&oldid=1495 The original article] for a simpler view before horde(s) of [[trolls]] edited. Or see [[best cases]] for how the opinion wiki should enable the whole project.''

	''~~Everything here is subject to change. See~~ [[Consumerium:intermediate page]] ~~for~~ the ~~more or less~~ stable ~~part~~.''		''[[Consumerium:intermediate page]] has the stable subset of what is below.''

	==Background==		==Background==

142.177.82.76: s/VirtualGroup/faction/ <-- means the same thing

2004-03-11T03:19:59Z

s/VirtualGroup/faction/ <-- means the same thing

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	*[[Consumerium Troll\|Troll]] - a group of edits (not users) that Users think all represent some single point of view, maybe one person, or many co-operating, and which anyone can claim to be adding to - a sort of mask or faction. So there might be no actual User: named "Communist" but there might be a "Troll" by that name, and "Communist" opinions could be classified as part of that virtual personality, no matter who wrote them. Like a role account only what belongs in it is defined after the fact. They can't vote, nor bet - but they can have all the opinions they want. The main use of this is to find out if any Users share so much style or opinion with a known troll profile, that they are probably the same person with many votes or accounts.		*[[Consumerium Troll\|Troll]] - a group of edits (not users) that Users think all represent some single point of view, maybe one person, or many co-operating, and which anyone can claim to be adding to - a sort of mask or faction. So there might be no actual User: named "Communist" but there might be a "Troll" by that name, and "Communist" opinions could be classified as part of that virtual personality, no matter who wrote them. Like a role account only what belongs in it is defined after the fact. They can't vote, nor bet - but they can have all the opinions they want. The main use of this is to find out if any Users share so much style or opinion with a known troll profile, that they are probably the same person with many votes or accounts.
	*[[Consumerium Group\|Group]] - must correspond to a real-world registered entity		*[[Consumerium Group\|Group]] - must correspond to a real-world registered entity
	*[[Consumerium ~~VirtualGroup\|VirtualGroup~~]] - must not conflict with names of real-world entities. Consists of [[Consumerium User\|User]]s and [[Consumerium Group\|Group]]s and other [[Consumerium ~~VirtualGroup\|VirtualGroup~~]]s		*[[Consumerium:faction]] - must not conflict with names of real-world entities. Consists of [[Consumerium User\|User]]s and [[Consumerium Group\|Group]]s and other [[Consumerium:faction]]s - these are for collective and alleged identity
	*[[Campaign]] - preferably descriptive names, and preferably recognizable to people doing real world campaigns say in [[NGO]]s.		*[[Campaign]] - preferably descriptive names, and preferably recognizable to people doing real world campaigns say in [[NGO]]s.

142.177.82.76 at 03:18, 11 March 2004

2004-03-11T03:18:23Z

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	''~~Please see~~ the ~~[http://www.consumerium.org/~~wiki~~/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&diff=0&oldid=1495 The Diff from~~ the ~~last version~~] or [~~http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&oldid=1495 The original article~~] for ~~a simpler view before horde(s) of~~ [[~~trolls~~]] ~~edited. Or see~~ [[~~best cases~~]] ~~for how~~ the ~~opinion wiki should enable the whole project~~.''		There is little consensus on this issue yet, and some terms are [[factionally defined]]. ''An alternative name [[Research Wiki]] has been proposed for this function, recognizing that there is some overlap between the R&D wiki function and the long-term need to track trends in terminology, [[faction]] debates and discovery of what is actually considered [[fair]] for the [[Content Wiki]] (or [[Signal Wiki]] in the alternative naming scheme) versus what is "subjective".''

	~~There is little consensus on this issue yet, and some terms are~~ [[~~factionally defined~~]]. ~~''An alternative name~~ [[~~Research Wiki~~]] ~~has been proposed~~ for ~~this function, recognizing that there is some overlap between~~ the ~~R&D~~ wiki ~~function and~~ the ~~long-term need~~ to ~~track trends in terminology, [[faction]] debates and discovery of what is actually considered~~ [[~~fair~~]] for the ~~[[Content Wiki]] (~~or ~~[[Signal Wiki]] in the alternative naming scheme) versus what is "subjective"~~.''		:''Please see the [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&diff=0&oldid=1495 The Diff from the last version] or [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&oldid=1495 The original article] for a simpler view before horde(s) of [[trolls]] edited. Or see [[best cases]] for how the opinion wiki should enable the whole project.''

			''Everything here is subject to change. See [[Consumerium:intermediate page]] for the more or less stable part.''

	==Background==		==Background==

Jukeboksi: linking to different vote-classes

2004-03-07T16:56:58Z

linking to different vote-classes

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	*Please note that the outline contains mainly only those articles and subarticles required to form hierarchies, not much on actual content		*Please note that the outline contains mainly only those articles and subarticles required to form hierarchies, not much on actual content
	*Looks like we are going to have [[The Consumerium Exchange\|Three classes of votes]]:		*Looks like we are going to have [[The Consumerium Exchange\|Three classes of votes]]:
	**WikiVote		**[[WikiVote]]
	**Direct Vote		**[[Direct Vote]]
	**Indirect Vote		**[[Indirect Vote]]
	*Duplicate WikiVotes can occour by accident, by purpose and apparently by design eg. [[Group:Association X National Section]] belongs to [[Group:Association X International]]		*Duplicate WikiVotes can occour by accident, by purpose and apparently by design eg. [[Group:Association X National Section]] belongs to [[Group:Association X International]]
	**There must be rules on which of the votes gets excluded in this case.		**There must be rules on which of the votes gets excluded in this case.

142.177.106.224: more on the opinion->research question, various ways to express an opinion (some we like, some not, but that tends to depend on our faction)

2004-02-23T19:29:43Z

more on the opinion->research question, various ways to express an opinion (some we like, some not, but that tends to depend on our faction)

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	''Please see the [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&diff=0&oldid=1495 The Diff from the last version] or [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&oldid=1495 The original article] for a ~~clear~~ view ~~on this~~ before ~~it got hit by~~ horde(s) of [[trolls]]. Or see [[best cases]] for how the opinion wiki should enable the whole project.'' There is little consensus on this issue ~~yes~~, and some terms are [[factionally defined]]. ~~What~~ is ~~offered here~~ is ~~thus wholly a discussion and not policy at all:~~		''Please see the [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&diff=0&oldid=1495 The Diff from the last version] or [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&oldid=1495 The original article] for a simpler view before horde(s) of [[trolls]] edited. Or see [[best cases]] for how the opinion wiki should enable the whole project.''

			There is little consensus on this issue yet, and some terms are [[factionally defined]]. ''An alternative name [[Research Wiki]] has been proposed for this function, recognizing that there is some overlap between the R&D wiki function and the long-term need to track trends in terminology, [[faction]] debates and discovery of what is actually considered [[fair]] for the [[Content Wiki]] (or [[Signal Wiki]] in the alternative naming scheme) versus what is "subjective".''

	==Background==		==Background==

	Some see opinions as most objectively expressed in a "market" form... but [[The Consumerium Exchange]], some complain, is a misleading name for this facility, which is about '''expressing opinions and support or the lack of for the expressed opinions'''. It does not translate well at all - hence ~~the new working title~~ and ~~design approach. We now call it the~~ '''opinion ~~wiki~~'''.		People express opinions in all sorts of ways, and when they really believe in those opinions they are likely to give them names like "research" to indicate they really are willing to [[bet]] some reputation or [[credibility]] on them. Other ways to express opinions are to [[vote]] or to [[hurt]] someone or [[sabotage]] something. All of these are ways to express opinions, but if we all use the hurting or sabotaging method, we will not have a civilization long. So it's always very important to figure out how we can [[bet]] or [[vote]] on something, or at best quietly [[sabotage]] something bad without pretending we are all morally right to do so, to avoid having to [[hurt]] any body.

			Political ideologies tend to say there is one "best way" to do this. Some, sometimes called "[[w:right-wing politics\|right-wing]]" see opinions as most objectively expressed in a "market" form... but [[The Consumerium Exchange]], some complain, is a misleading name for this facility, which is about '''expressing opinions and support or the lack of for the expressed opinions'''. It does not translate well at all - hence we use '''opinion''' for now, and maybe consider that '''opinion''' can be seen as '''research''' by those who really believe in the premises that the original researcher has had.

	It will be a [[large public wiki]] with the special problems of that type of communication. Including choosing a good name.		Whatever we call it, it will be a [[large public wiki]] with the special problems of that type of communication. Including choosing a good name.

	As mentioned in [[Campaign#Campaign Management\|Campaign]], campaign management may be best organized by wiki. This would be simple and straightforward for the campaigners. It would require only a low-end browser to contribute to the [[semantic web of views]]. No fixed email address would be required. Many client software variations might work.		As mentioned in [[Campaign#Campaign Management\|Campaign]], campaign management may be best organized by wiki. This would be simple and straightforward for the campaigners. It would require only a low-end browser to contribute to the [[semantic web of views]]. No fixed email address would be required. Many client software variations might work.

Jukeboksi: moved Campaigns here

2004-02-17T14:00:14Z

moved Campaigns here

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	*[[Consumerium Group\|Group]] - must correspond to a real-world registered entity		*[[Consumerium Group\|Group]] - must correspond to a real-world registered entity
	*[[Consumerium VirtualGroup\|VirtualGroup]] - must not conflict with names of real-world entities. Consists of [[Consumerium User\|User]]s and [[Consumerium Group\|Group]]s and other [[Consumerium VirtualGroup\|VirtualGroup]]s		*[[Consumerium VirtualGroup\|VirtualGroup]] - must not conflict with names of real-world entities. Consists of [[Consumerium User\|User]]s and [[Consumerium Group\|Group]]s and other [[Consumerium VirtualGroup\|VirtualGroup]]s
	*[[~~Consumerium Campaign\|~~Campaign]] - preferably descriptive names, and preferably recognizable to people doing real world campaigns say in [[NGO]]s.		*[[Campaign]] - preferably descriptive names, and preferably recognizable to people doing real world campaigns say in [[NGO]]s.

	==Set articles and permissions==		==Set articles and permissions==

Jukeboksi: de-trollifying

2004-02-17T12:07:31Z

de-trollifying

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	*[[Consumerium Troll\|Troll]] - a group of edits (not users) that Users think all represent some single point of view, maybe one person, or many co-operating, and which anyone can claim to be adding to - a sort of mask or faction. So there might be no actual User: named "Communist" but there might be a "Troll" by that name, and "Communist" opinions could be classified as part of that virtual personality, no matter who wrote them. Like a role account only what belongs in it is defined after the fact. They can't vote, nor bet - but they can have all the opinions they want. The main use of this is to find out if any Users share so much style or opinion with a known troll profile, that they are probably the same person with many votes or accounts.		*[[Consumerium Troll\|Troll]] - a group of edits (not users) that Users think all represent some single point of view, maybe one person, or many co-operating, and which anyone can claim to be adding to - a sort of mask or faction. So there might be no actual User: named "Communist" but there might be a "Troll" by that name, and "Communist" opinions could be classified as part of that virtual personality, no matter who wrote them. Like a role account only what belongs in it is defined after the fact. They can't vote, nor bet - but they can have all the opinions they want. The main use of this is to find out if any Users share so much style or opinion with a known troll profile, that they are probably the same person with many votes or accounts.
	*[[Consumerium Group\|Group]] - must correspond to a real-world registered entity		*[[Consumerium Group\|Group]] - must correspond to a real-world registered entity
	*[[Consumerium VirtualGroup\|VirtualGroup]] - must not conflict with names of real-world entities. ~~Instead of being made out of users, it is made out of opinions or out~~ of [[Consumerium ~~Troll~~]]s~~. Another name could be "Legion of Trolls" or "Troll Pack",~~ and ~~the leader can be a~~ [[~~Trollherd~~]].		*[[Consumerium VirtualGroup\|VirtualGroup]] - must not conflict with names of real-world entities. Consists of [[Consumerium User\|User]]s and [[Consumerium Group\|Group]]s and other [[Consumerium VirtualGroup\|VirtualGroup]]s
	*[[Consumerium Campaign\|Campaign]] - preferably descriptive names, and preferably recognizable to people doing real world campaigns say in [[NGO]]s.		*[[Consumerium Campaign\|Campaign]] - preferably descriptive names, and preferably recognizable to people doing real world campaigns say in [[NGO]]s.

142.177.103.239: introduction clarified, controversy identified

2003-12-22T00:50:45Z

introduction clarified, controversy identified

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	'''Please see the [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&diff=0&oldid=1495 The Diff from the last version] or [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&oldid=1495 The original article] for a clear view on this before it got hit by horde(s) of [[trolls]].''		''Please see the [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&diff=0&oldid=1495 The Diff from the last version] or [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&oldid=1495 The original article] for a clear view on this before it got hit by horde(s) of [[trolls]]. Or see [[best cases]] for how the opinion wiki should enable the whole project.'' There is little consensus on this issue yes, and some terms are [[factionally defined]]. What is offered here is thus wholly a discussion and not policy at all:

	==Background==		==Background==

	[[The Consumerium Exchange]], some complain, is a misleading name for this facility, which is about '''expressing opinions and support or the lack of for the expressed opinions'''. It does not translate well at all - hence the new working title and design approach. We now call it the '''opinion wiki'''.		Some see opinions as most objectively expressed in a "market" form... but [[The Consumerium Exchange]], some complain, is a misleading name for this facility, which is about '''expressing opinions and support or the lack of for the expressed opinions'''. It does not translate well at all - hence the new working title and design approach. We now call it the '''opinion wiki'''.

	It will be a [[large public wiki]] with the special problems of that type of communication. Including choosing a good name.		It will be a [[large public wiki]] with the special problems of that type of communication. Including choosing a good name.

142.177.103.239: it is a large public wiki with many problems including naming it properly

2003-12-22T00:49:01Z

it is a large public wiki with many problems including naming it properly

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	'''Please see the [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&diff=0&oldid=1495 The Diff from the last version] or [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&oldid=1495 The original article] for a clear view on this before it got hit by horde(s) of [[trolls]]		'''Please see the [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&diff=0&oldid=1495 The Diff from the last version] or [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&oldid=1495 The original article] for a clear view on this before it got hit by horde(s) of [[trolls]].''

	==Background==		==Background==
	[[The Consumerium Exchange]], some complain, is a misleading name for ~~the~~ facility, which is about '''~~experessing~~ opinions and support or the lack of for the expressed opinions'''. It does not translate well at all - hence the new working title and design approach. We now call it the '''opinion wiki'''.
			[[The Consumerium Exchange]], some complain, is a misleading name for this facility, which is about '''expressing opinions and support or the lack of for the expressed opinions'''. It does not translate well at all - hence the new working title and design approach. We now call it the '''opinion wiki'''.

			It will be a [[large public wiki]] with the special problems of that type of communication. Including choosing a good name.

	As mentioned in [[Campaign#Campaign Management\|Campaign]], campaign management may be best organized by wiki. This would be simple and straightforward for the campaigners. It would require only a low-end browser to contribute to the [[semantic web of views]]. No fixed email address would be required. Many client software variations might work.		As mentioned in [[Campaign#Campaign Management\|Campaign]], campaign management may be best organized by wiki. This would be simple and straightforward for the campaigners. It would require only a low-end browser to contribute to the [[semantic web of views]]. No fixed email address would be required. Many client software variations might work.

Jukeboksi: Linking to troll-ed-ness-ed version of this article

2003-10-16T05:00:01Z

Linking to troll-ed-ness-ed version of this article

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			'''Please see the [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&diff=0&oldid=1495 The Diff from the last version] or [http://www.consumerium.org/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Opinion_Wiki&oldid=1495 The original article] for a clear view on this before it got hit by horde(s) of [[trolls]]

	==Background==		==Background==
	[[The Consumerium Exchange]], some complain, is a misleading name for the facility, which is about '''experessing opinions and support or the lack of for the expressed opinions'''. It does not translate well at all - hence the new working title and design approach. We now call it the '''opinion wiki'''.		[[The Consumerium Exchange]], some complain, is a misleading name for the facility, which is about '''experessing opinions and support or the lack of for the expressed opinions'''. It does not translate well at all - hence the new working title and design approach. We now call it the '''opinion wiki'''.

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	*[[Consumerium Troll\|Troll]] - a group of edits (not users) that Users think all represent some single point of view, maybe one person, or many co-operating, and which anyone can claim to be adding to - a sort of mask or faction. So there might be no actual User: named "Communist" but there might be a "Troll" by that name, and "Communist" opinions could be classified as part of that virtual personality, no matter who wrote them. Like a role account only what belongs in it is defined after the fact. They can't vote, nor bet - but they can have all the opinions they want. The main use of this is to find out if any Users share so much style or opinion with a known troll profile, that they are probably the same person with many votes or accounts.		*[[Consumerium Troll\|Troll]] - a group of edits (not users) that Users think all represent some single point of view, maybe one person, or many co-operating, and which anyone can claim to be adding to - a sort of mask or faction. So there might be no actual User: named "Communist" but there might be a "Troll" by that name, and "Communist" opinions could be classified as part of that virtual personality, no matter who wrote them. Like a role account only what belongs in it is defined after the fact. They can't vote, nor bet - but they can have all the opinions they want. The main use of this is to find out if any Users share so much style or opinion with a known troll profile, that they are probably the same person with many votes or accounts.
	*[[Consumerium Group\|Group]] - must correspond to a real-world registered entity		*[[Consumerium Group\|Group]] - must correspond to a real-world registered entity
	*[[Consumerium VirtualGroup\|VirtualGroup]] - must not conflict with names of real-world entities. ~~Instead of being made out of users, it is made out of opinions or out~~ of [[Consumerium ~~Troll~~]]s~~. Another name could be "Legion of Trolls" or "Troll Pack",~~ and ~~the leader can be a~~ [[~~Trollherd~~]].		*[[Consumerium VirtualGroup\|VirtualGroup]] - must not conflict with names of real-world entities. Consists of [[Consumerium User\|User]]s and [[Consumerium Group\|Group]]s and other [[Consumerium VirtualGroup\|VirtualGroup]]s
	*[[Consumerium Campaign\|Campaign]] - preferably descriptive names, and preferably recognizable to people doing real world campaigns say in [[NGO]]s.		*[[Consumerium Campaign\|Campaign]] - preferably descriptive names, and preferably recognizable to people doing real world campaigns say in [[NGO]]s.