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		<title>Jukeboksi: de-linking</title>
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		<updated>2004-09-09T13:41:11Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;de-linking&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 13:41, 9 September 2004&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l5&quot;&gt;Line 5:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Operational distinction]] is much simpler and less controversial and does not create or imply any POV.  It is possible to say objectively that an [[IP range block]] exists, or that an article is on [[Votes for deletion]], or even that its neutrality is disputed, without necessarily having any particular POV or accepting any particular authority.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Operational distinction]] is much simpler and less controversial and does not create or imply any POV.  It is possible to say objectively that an [[IP range block]] exists, or that an article is on [[Votes for deletion]], or even that its neutrality is disputed, without necessarily having any particular POV or accepting any particular authority.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Failing to distinguish ontological distinctions like &quot;who are the [[trolls]]&quot; from operational ones like &quot;what IP numbers have been blocked in the past&quot; is the basis of [[Wikimedia corruption]].  Those &#039;&#039;&#039;confusion&#039;&#039;&#039;s which serve the interests of &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/del&gt;Bomis&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]] &lt;/del&gt;corporation will be noticed and clarified, while those that do not, will not be.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Failing to distinguish ontological distinctions like &quot;who are the [[trolls]]&quot; from operational ones like &quot;what IP numbers have been blocked in the past&quot; is the basis of [[Wikimedia corruption]].  Those &#039;&#039;&#039;confusion&#039;&#039;&#039;s which serve the interests of Bomis corporation will be noticed and clarified, while those that do not, will not be.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<author><name>Jukeboksi</name></author>
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		<title>Jukeboksi: typo</title>
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		<updated>2004-06-29T09:29:39Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;typo&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l5&quot;&gt;Line 5:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Operational distinction]] is much simpler and less controversial and does not create or imply any POV.  It is possible to say objectively that an [[IP range block]] exists, or that an article is on [[Votes for deletion]], or even that its neutrality is disputed, without necessarily having any particular POV or accepting any particular authority.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Operational distinction]] is much simpler and less controversial and does not create or imply any POV.  It is possible to say objectively that an [[IP range block]] exists, or that an article is on [[Votes for deletion]], or even that its neutrality is disputed, without necessarily having any particular POV or accepting any particular authority.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Failng &lt;/del&gt;to distinguish ontological distinctions like &quot;who are the [[trolls]]&quot; from operational ones like &quot;what IP numbers have been blocked in the past&quot; is the basis of [[Wikimedia corruption]].  Those &#039;&#039;&#039;confusion&#039;&#039;&#039;s which serve the interests of [[Bomis]] corporation will be noticed and clarified, while those that do not, will not be.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Failing &lt;/ins&gt;to distinguish ontological distinctions like &quot;who are the [[trolls]]&quot; from operational ones like &quot;what IP numbers have been blocked in the past&quot; is the basis of [[Wikimedia corruption]].  Those &#039;&#039;&#039;confusion&#039;&#039;&#039;s which serve the interests of [[Bomis]] corporation will be noticed and clarified, while those that do not, will not be.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>142.177.97.194 at 18:23, 28 June 2004</title>
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		<updated>2004-06-28T18:23:19Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;An &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;ontological distinction&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; is one so basic as to effectively create a [[POV]] in the person applying it or even just believing in it.  For instance to believe that &amp;quot;there is such a thing as a [[troll]]&amp;quot;, objectively, creates a strange belief system which seems to be the basis of [[sysop power structure]].&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Ontological confusion&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; is however more commonly observed, and easier to verify.  Refusing to distinguish moral from technological or operational authority justifies [[technological escalation]] and [[developer vigilantiism]].  To believe that &amp;quot;a [[sysop]] cannot possibly be a [[vandal]]&amp;quot; creates the [[Sysop Vandal point of view]] in which no matter what the [[sysop power structure]] does, it cannot be [[vandalism]], even if it obviously is, from an unbiased third party point of view, i.e. the [[New Troll point of view]] which has not yet been [[Wikimedia corruption|corrupted]] by [[systemic bias]], i.e. &amp;quot;[[neutral point of view]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Operational distinction]] is much simpler and less controversial and does not create or imply any POV.  It is possible to say objectively that an [[IP range block]] exists, or that an article is on [[Votes for deletion]], or even that its neutrality is disputed, without necessarily having any particular POV or accepting any particular authority.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Failng to distinguish ontological distinctions like &amp;quot;who are the [[trolls]]&amp;quot; from operational ones like &amp;quot;what IP numbers have been blocked in the past&amp;quot; is the basis of [[Wikimedia corruption]].  Those &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;confusion&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;s which serve the interests of [[Bomis]] corporation will be noticed and clarified, while those that do not, will not be.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>142.177.97.194</name></author>
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