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Jukeboksi: undoing vandalism

2012-07-21T11:52:07Z

undoing vandalism

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	~~G6mR9u~~ <a ~~href=~~"~~http://pzdprhlfercb~~.~~com/">pzdprhlfercb</~~a>, [~~url=http://gvvdejkwjyoe~~.~~com/~~]~~gvvdejkwjyoe~~[~~/url~~], [~~link~~=~~http~~:~~//dowzkuqczpoy~~.~~com/~~]~~dowzkuqczpoy~~[~~/link~~], http://~~yzqgtggtchsv~~.com/		A '''new troll''' is a user who has gotten into one or more conflicts but is not clearly associated with any [[faction]] yet, or has deliberately denied being representative of any faction. Basically, it's just someone who has been called a "[[troll]]" or otherwise told their point of view is idiosyncratic or invalid, and who has not yet developed any steady allies or collaborators here.

			According mostly to [[trolls]], the [[New Troll point of view]] is a real and coherent thing that can be established by [[consensus]] and keep [[large public wiki]]s from freezing into simple cliques of the existing participants. In this [[faction]]al view, the treatment of '''new troll'''s is central to all [[wiki governance]]. This view is strongly opposed to any imposition of [[community point of view]] or trusting any [[neutral point of view]] that the established "community" agrees with. But also there is the view that new trolls are pests and deserve no status or consideration, or that only those who [[use real names]] should get any help or only those who pay to keep things running should be able to edit any disputed article.

			==[[Faction]]al views==

			===[[Trolls]]===

			A '''new troll''' is a user who has gotten into one or more conflicts but is not clearly associated with any [[faction]] yet, or has deliberately denied being representative of any faction.

			Although every effort should be made to accomodate their [[New Troll point of view]], in case it is in fact an under-represented or previously excluded view, there must be limits to this, if only to ensure that even more '''new troll'''s continue to arrive and challenge the dominant [[groupthink]]. Therefore it's probably wise to think in terms of the marginal value of accomodating each new troll:

			*We want to be just [[troll-friendly]] enough that the ''next'' '''new troll''' feels just as welcome as ''this'' '''new troll'''; [[Consumerium:Policy]] will ideally make each new troll slightly more welcome. Accordingly, it's fair to ask new trolls to make specific accomodations for the next, unknown, troll to arrive, and perhaps to prove worthiness as [[trolls]] by initiating new trolls in the intricacies of faction politics, the vileness of sysops, etc., so as to breed a worthy polity based on dissent and not on any groupthink.

			*Accordingly, [[Consumerium:We]] should be able to confidently say that no user arrives without being fully empowered and motivated to join some faction that they themselves find empowering; If they reject the trolls' view, then, they can join some other faction. But in no case are they left entirely alone vs. a [[sysop power structure]].

			''Fair? If not why not? How else can [[democracy]] be organized? See also the theory of the [[open party]].''

			== external links ==

			*[http://yahoogroups.com/group/newtroll newtroll yahoo group]

38.107.149.14: VBUgppsNBaYAA

2010-05-30T15:37:28Z

VBUgppsNBaYAA

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	A '''new troll''' is a user who has gotten into one or more conflicts but is not clearly associated with any [[faction]] yet, or has deliberately denied being representative of any faction. Basically, it's just someone who has been called a "[[troll]]" or otherwise told their point of view is idiosyncratic or invalid, and who has not yet developed any steady allies or collaborators here.		G6mR9u <a href="http://pzdprhlfercb.com/">pzdprhlfercb</a>, [url=http://gvvdejkwjyoe.com/]gvvdejkwjyoe[/url], [link=http://dowzkuqczpoy.com/]dowzkuqczpoy[/link], http://yzqgtggtchsv.com/

	According mostly to [[trolls]], the [[New Troll point of view]] is a real and coherent thing that can be established by [[consensus]] and keep [[large public wiki]]s from freezing into simple cliques of the existing participants. In this [[faction]]al view, the treatment of '''new troll'''s is central to all [[wiki governance]]. This view is strongly opposed to any imposition of [[community point of view]] or trusting any [[neutral point of view]] that the established "community" agrees with. But also there is the view that new trolls are pests and deserve no status or consideration, or that only those who [[use real names]] should get any help or only those who pay to keep things running should be able to edit any disputed article.

	~~5tXhki~~ <a href="http://~~mtqkzdzncbux~~.com/">~~mtqkzdzncbux~~</a>, [url=http://~~iczhkszmgfhj~~.com/]~~iczhkszmgfhj~~[/url], [link=http://~~ctizecmcxuke~~.com/]~~ctizecmcxuke~~[/link], http://~~fwmtraizzmge~~.com/

12.229.237.2: /* Factional views */

2010-05-30T13:09:36Z

[[Faction]]al views

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	According mostly to [[trolls]], the [[New Troll point of view]] is a real and coherent thing that can be established by [[consensus]] and keep [[large public wiki]]s from freezing into simple cliques of the existing participants. In this [[faction]]al view, the treatment of '''new troll'''s is central to all [[wiki governance]]. This view is strongly opposed to any imposition of [[community point of view]] or trusting any [[neutral point of view]] that the established "community" agrees with. But also there is the view that new trolls are pests and deserve no status or consideration, or that only those who [[use real names]] should get any help or only those who pay to keep things running should be able to edit any disputed article.		According mostly to [[trolls]], the [[New Troll point of view]] is a real and coherent thing that can be established by [[consensus]] and keep [[large public wiki]]s from freezing into simple cliques of the existing participants. In this [[faction]]al view, the treatment of '''new troll'''s is central to all [[wiki governance]]. This view is strongly opposed to any imposition of [[community point of view]] or trusting any [[neutral point of view]] that the established "community" agrees with. But also there is the view that new trolls are pests and deserve no status or consideration, or that only those who [[use real names]] should get any help or only those who pay to keep things running should be able to edit any disputed article.

	~~==[[Faction]]al views==~~		5tXhki <a href="http://mtqkzdzncbux.com/">mtqkzdzncbux</a>, [url=http://iczhkszmgfhj.com/]iczhkszmgfhj[/url], [link=http://ctizecmcxuke.com/]ctizecmcxuke[/link], http://fwmtraizzmge.com/

	~~===[[Trolls]]===~~

	~~A '''new troll''' is a user who has gotten into one or more conflicts but is not clearly associated with any [[faction]] yet, or has deliberately denied being representative of any faction.~~

	Although every effort should be made to accomodate their [[New Troll point of view]], in case it is in fact an under-represented or previously excluded view, there must be limits to this, if only to ensure that even more '''new troll'''s continue to arrive and challenge the dominant [[groupthink]]. Therefore it's probably wise to think in terms of the marginal value of accomodating each new troll:

	*We want to be just [[troll-friendly]] enough that the ''next'' '''new troll''' feels just as welcome as ''this'' '''new troll'''; [[Consumerium:Policy]] will ideally make each new troll slightly more welcome. Accordingly, it's fair to ask new trolls to make specific accomodations for the next, unknown, troll to arrive, and perhaps to prove worthiness as [[trolls]] by initiating new trolls in the intricacies of faction politics, the vileness of sysops, etc., so as to breed a worthy polity based on dissent and not on any groupthink.

	*Accordingly, [[Consumerium:We]] should be able to confidently say that no user arrives without being fully empowered and motivated to join some faction that they themselves find empowering; If they reject the trolls' view, then, they can join some other faction. But in no case are they left entirely alone vs. a [[sysop power structure]].

	~~''Fair? If not why not? How else can [[democracy]] be organized? See also the theory of the [[open party]].''~~

	~~9gk2ub~~ <a href="http://~~ofoqcouemrnm~~.com/">~~ofoqcouemrnm~~</a>, [url=http://~~sivoccjiksdb~~.com/]~~sivoccjiksdb~~[/url], [link=http://~~sdzdewtntpyq~~.com/]~~sdzdewtntpyq~~[/link], http://~~cbtujklmpqbw~~.com/

217.173.42.77: /* external links */

2010-05-30T07:47:39Z

external links

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	''Fair? If not why not? How else can [[democracy]] be organized? See also the theory of the [[open party]].''		''Fair? If not why not? How else can [[democracy]] be organized? See also the theory of the [[open party]].''

	== ~~external links =~~=		9gk2ub <a href="http://ofoqcouemrnm.com/">ofoqcouemrnm</a>, [url=http://sivoccjiksdb.com/]sivoccjiksdb[/url], [link=http://sdzdewtntpyq.com/]sdzdewtntpyq[/link], http://cbtujklmpqbw.com/

	*[http://~~yahoogroups~~.com/~~group~~/~~newtroll newtroll yahoo group~~]

142.177.79.144: link

2005-02-11T19:33:36Z

link

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	*Accordingly, [[Consumerium:We]] should be able to confidently say that no user arrives without being fully empowered and motivated to join some faction that they themselves find empowering; If they reject the trolls' view, then, they can join some other faction. But in no case are they left entirely alone vs. a [[sysop power structure]].		*Accordingly, [[Consumerium:We]] should be able to confidently say that no user arrives without being fully empowered and motivated to join some faction that they themselves find empowering; If they reject the trolls' view, then, they can join some other faction. But in no case are they left entirely alone vs. a [[sysop power structure]].

	''Fair? If not why not? How else can [[democracy]] be organized?''		''Fair? If not why not? How else can [[democracy]] be organized? See also the theory of the [[open party]].''

			== external links ==

			*[http://yahoogroups.com/group/newtroll newtroll yahoo group]

Trolling Consumerium at 15:40, 16 July 2004

2004-07-16T15:40:41Z

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	A '''new troll''' is a user who has gotten into one or more conflicts but is not clearly associated with any [[faction]] yet, or has deliberately denied being representative of any faction. Basically, it's just someone who has been called a "[[troll]]" or otherwise told their point of view is idiosyncratic or invalid, and who has not yet developed any steady allies or collaborators here.		A '''new troll''' is a user who has gotten into one or more conflicts but is not clearly associated with any [[faction]] yet, or has deliberately denied being representative of any faction. Basically, it's just someone who has been called a "[[troll]]" or otherwise told their point of view is idiosyncratic or invalid, and who has not yet developed any steady allies or collaborators here.

	According mostly to [[trolls]], the [[New Troll point of view]] is a real and coherent thing that can be established by [[consensus]] and keep [[large public wiki]]s from freezing into simple cliques of the existing participants. In this [[faction]]al view, the treatment of '''new troll'''s is central to all [[wiki governance]]. This view is strongly opposed to any imposition of [[community point of view]] or trusting any [[neutral point of view]] that the established "community" agrees with.		According mostly to [[trolls]], the [[New Troll point of view]] is a real and coherent thing that can be established by [[consensus]] and keep [[large public wiki]]s from freezing into simple cliques of the existing participants. In this [[faction]]al view, the treatment of '''new troll'''s is central to all [[wiki governance]]. This view is strongly opposed to any imposition of [[community point of view]] or trusting any [[neutral point of view]] that the established "community" agrees with. But also there is the view that new trolls are pests and deserve no status or consideration, or that only those who [[use real names]] should get any help or only those who pay to keep things running should be able to edit any disputed article.

	==~~Factional~~ views==		==[[Faction]]al views==

	===[[Trolls]]===		===[[Trolls]]===

Trolling Consumerium: from http://www.ouranswer.org/wiki/index.php/OurAnswer:Trolls/New_troll

2004-07-16T15:32:29Z

from http://www.ouranswer.org/wiki/index.php/OurAnswer:Trolls/New_troll

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	According mostly to [[trolls]], the [[New Troll point of view]] is a real and coherent thing that can be established by [[consensus]] and keep [[large public wiki]]s from freezing into simple cliques of the existing participants. In this [[faction]]al view, the treatment of '''new troll'''s is central to all [[wiki governance]]. This view is strongly opposed to any imposition of [[community point of view]] or trusting any [[neutral point of view]] that the established "community" agrees with.		According mostly to [[trolls]], the [[New Troll point of view]] is a real and coherent thing that can be established by [[consensus]] and keep [[large public wiki]]s from freezing into simple cliques of the existing participants. In this [[faction]]al view, the treatment of '''new troll'''s is central to all [[wiki governance]]. This view is strongly opposed to any imposition of [[community point of view]] or trusting any [[neutral point of view]] that the established "community" agrees with.

			==Factional views==

			===[[Trolls]]===

			A '''new troll''' is a user who has gotten into one or more conflicts but is not clearly associated with any [[faction]] yet, or has deliberately denied being representative of any faction.

			Although every effort should be made to accomodate their [[New Troll point of view]], in case it is in fact an under-represented or previously excluded view, there must be limits to this, if only to ensure that even more '''new troll'''s continue to arrive and challenge the dominant [[groupthink]]. Therefore it's probably wise to think in terms of the marginal value of accomodating each new troll:

			*We want to be just [[troll-friendly]] enough that the ''next'' '''new troll''' feels just as welcome as ''this'' '''new troll'''; [[Consumerium:Policy]] will ideally make each new troll slightly more welcome. Accordingly, it's fair to ask new trolls to make specific accomodations for the next, unknown, troll to arrive, and perhaps to prove worthiness as [[trolls]] by initiating new trolls in the intricacies of faction politics, the vileness of sysops, etc., so as to breed a worthy polity based on dissent and not on any groupthink.

			*Accordingly, [[Consumerium:We]] should be able to confidently say that no user arrives without being fully empowered and motivated to join some faction that they themselves find empowering; If they reject the trolls' view, then, they can join some other faction. But in no case are they left entirely alone vs. a [[sysop power structure]].

			''Fair? If not why not? How else can [[democracy]] be organized?''

142.177.114.213: netural statement of the controversy

2004-07-13T20:15:26Z

netural statement of the controversy

New page

A '''new troll''' is a user who has gotten into one or more conflicts but is not clearly associated with any [[faction]] yet, or has deliberately denied being representative of any faction. Basically, it's just someone who has been called a "[[troll]]" or otherwise told their point of view is idiosyncratic or invalid, and who has not yet developed any steady allies or collaborators here.

According mostly to [[trolls]], the [[New Troll point of view]] is a real and coherent thing that can be established by [[consensus]] and keep [[large public wiki]]s from freezing into simple cliques of the existing participants. In this [[faction]]al view, the treatment of '''new troll'''s is central to all [[wiki governance]]. This view is strongly opposed to any imposition of [[community point of view]] or trusting any [[neutral point of view]] that the established "community" agrees with.