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	- agreement to take claims with each other to arbitration under the same kind of supervision, rather than directly to legal authorities; public withdrawal of any such claims, civil or criminal, made in public or directly to authority		- agreement to take claims with each other to arbitration under the same kind of supervision, rather than directly to legal authorities; public withdrawal of any such claims, civil or criminal, made in public or directly to authority

			Since the present situation in which [[libel]] and [[libel chill]] are daily engaged in, and many legitimate [[GFDL corpus]] contributions destroyed, is intolerable, [[ending Wikimedia]] would seem to be the only alternative course.

	Only a truly [[Lowest Troll]] could possibly supervise such a negotiation! It is a reasonable [[pilot]] for what we are considering doing in [[talk:pilot]].		Only a truly [[Lowest Troll]] could possibly supervise such a negotiation! It is a reasonable [[pilot]] for what we are considering doing in [[talk:pilot]].

142.177.41.102: a reasonable test of the ability of wikis to debate contentious issues such as those Consumerium seeks to resolve

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a reasonable test of the ability of wikis to debate contentious issues such as those Consumerium seeks to resolve

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A '''negotiated settlement between trolls and Wikimedia''' was suggested by seeming representatives of both on the [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] page.

Elements of such a '''settlement''' may include:

- full documentation of all allegations made by each group of the other and the evidence for same - ''perhaps in [[TIPAESA]] form or something else rigorous to a common [[standard of evidence]]''

- agreement to restrain and refuse to republish or repeat [[libel]], slander, or any "evidence" whatsoever not included in the above - ''see [[echo chamber]] and [[groupthink]] for the issues arising from failure to enforce these rules''

- removal of parties who habitually engage in this behaviour, e.g. [[Erik Moeller]], [[Daniel Mayer]] from any position of responsiblity in Wikimedia, with public apologies for their behaviour.

- apologies from parties who have sometimes engaged in unaccountable behaviours, e.g. [[outing]], such as Jim Wales, and a commitment to follow some reasonable [[wiki governance]] protocol such as [[right to vanish]] to ensure a participant's name is not continually abused long after s/he has left the project, if s/he ever participated at all

- agreement to follow a [[due process]] in future disputes among their [[faction]]s, which would be expected to delegate responsible parties to reach a settlement - ''those not submitting to any faction being left on their own with no mutual defense''

- agreement to represent their interests or claims in some [[adversarial process]] not under the control of either party, under the supervision of some responsible [[independent board]] (say [[Creative Commons]] or [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] or any other group with knowledge of such issues and an interest in developing competence in same)

- agreement to take claims with each other to arbitration under the same kind of supervision, rather than directly to legal authorities; public withdrawal of any such claims, civil or criminal, made in public or directly to authority

Only a truly [[Lowest Troll]] could possibly supervise such a negotiation! It is a reasonable [[pilot]] for what we are considering doing in [[talk:pilot]].

Negotiated settlement between trolls and Wikimedia - Revision history

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142.177.41.102: a reasonable test of the ability of wikis to debate contentious issues such as those Consumerium seeks to resolve