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		<title>142.177.85.37: more exact</title>
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		<updated>2004-08-10T02:48:31Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;more exact&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 02:48, 10 August 2004&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Knowledge&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; is not defined by [[trolls]].  Even [[Simple Trollish]] does not include this word.  Instead, the [[trollish]] way is to start with the [[ethics]] of a choice, be they ecological, social, economic, or otherwise.  Only once these ethics are known can there be any concept of what is known, and then only about the current situation.  This is much more cautious and is like a [[scientific method]] (when trolls do science they use a much improved form of this).   &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Knowledge&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; is not defined by [[trolls]].  Even [[Simple Trollish]] does not include this word.  Instead, the [[trollish]] way is to start with the [[ethics]] of a choice, be they ecological, social, economic, or otherwise.  Only once these ethics are known can there be any concept of what is known, and then only about the current situation.  This is much more cautious and is like a [[scientific method]] (when trolls do science they use a much improved form of this).   &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Because the most basic ethics of any choice are ecological, i.e. &quot;will this destroy the planet &lt;/del&gt;[[&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;trolls&lt;/del&gt;]] &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;live on or poison the atmosphere they breathe?&quot; it &lt;/del&gt;is &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;normal for trolls to filter their beliefs through various alliances &lt;/del&gt;and &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;methods of &lt;/del&gt;[[&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;consensus decision making]] about [[ecology&lt;/del&gt;]], &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;their base religion&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Moral choice&lt;/ins&gt;]] is &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;fundamentally ecological in trollish nature:  that which preserves &lt;/ins&gt;and &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;increases &lt;/ins&gt;[[&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;biodiversity&lt;/ins&gt;]] &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;is moral, that which does not&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;is immoral&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt; Put another way:&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Unless &lt;/del&gt;it is published as scientifically acceptable ecology, then, trolls are not likely to accept it as real necessarily, unless it fits in with everything else they &#039;&#039;&#039;know&#039;&#039;&#039;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Because the most basic ethics of any choice are ecological, i.e. &quot;will this destroy the planet [[trolls]] live on or poison the atmosphere they breathe?&quot; it is normal for trolls to filter their beliefs through various alliances and methods of [[consensus decision making]] about [[ecology]], their base religion.  [[Moral order]], to trolls, is derived cognitively from ecosystem perception directly.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Regarding net discourse:  unless &lt;/ins&gt;it is published as scientifically acceptable ecology, then, trolls are not likely to accept it as real necessarily, unless it fits in with everything else they &#039;&#039;&#039;know&#039;&#039;&#039;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>142.177.82.216: required to understand Simple Trollish</title>
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		<updated>2004-08-10T00:03:11Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;required to understand &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/Simple_Trollish&quot; title=&quot;Simple Trollish&quot;&gt;Simple Trollish&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Knowledge&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; is defined by [[sysop power structure]]:  it is whatever is not subject to [[sysop vandalism]].  The [[Sysop Vandal point of view]] is thus what remains after all the [[vandalism]] is done, at least for the time being.  This is [[neutral point of view]] and it is a form of [[common sense]], or, just [[stupidity]].&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Knowledge&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; is not defined by [[trolls]].  Even [[Simple Trollish]] does not include this word.  Instead, the [[trollish]] way is to start with the [[ethics]] of a choice, be they ecological, social, economic, or otherwise.  Only once these ethics are known can there be any concept of what is known, and then only about the current situation.  This is much more cautious and is like a [[scientific method]] (when trolls do science they use a much improved form of this).  &lt;br /&gt;
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Because the most basic ethics of any choice are ecological, i.e. &amp;quot;will this destroy the planet [[trolls]] live on or poison the atmosphere they breathe?&amp;quot; it is normal for trolls to filter their beliefs through various alliances and methods of [[consensus decision making]] about [[ecology]], their base religion.&lt;br /&gt;
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Unless it is published as scientifically acceptable ecology, then, trolls are not likely to accept it as real necessarily, unless it fits in with everything else they &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;know&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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