Interwiki link standard - Revision history

Troll64: delinking, to avoid involving this important concept with issues that are at least rather controversial and speculative, and have gotten quite personal.

2004-09-07T18:26:30Z

delinking, to avoid involving this important concept with issues that are at least rather controversial and speculative, and have gotten quite personal.

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	Because of various uses of abbreviations for services, assumptions about services, etc., it is presently quite confusing. [[Mediawiki]] supports a deliberately Wikipedia-centric scheme in which for instance "[ [ en: ] ]" means not "in English" but "in the English Wikipedia". As a result, a reference to "[ [ en: Metaweb: phyle ] ]" will be interpreted incorrectly as a reference to English Wikipedia where there is no article, instead of correctly to [http://www.metaweb.com/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=phyle English Metaweb 'phyle'] where there is one.		Because of various uses of abbreviations for services, assumptions about services, etc., it is presently quite confusing. [[Mediawiki]] supports a deliberately Wikipedia-centric scheme in which for instance "[ [ en: ] ]" means not "in English" but "in the English Wikipedia". As a result, a reference to "[ [ en: Metaweb: phyle ] ]" will be interpreted incorrectly as a reference to English Wikipedia where there is no article, instead of correctly to [http://www.metaweb.com/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=phyle English Metaweb 'phyle'] where there is one.

	:''[[Mediawiki]] is likely to continue to resist and retard the development of such a standard for the usual reasons (typically [[software imperialism]] and specifically the control of that project by [[Erik Moeller]] and [[Tim Starling]] ~~- see [[Wikimedia]] and [[Wikimedia corruption]] for discussion of this problem~~). Other [[wiki code]] will almost certainly be required.''		:''[[Mediawiki]] is likely to continue to resist and retard the development of such a standard for the usual reasons (typically [[software imperialism]] and specifically the control of that project by [[Erik Moeller]] and [[Tim Starling]]). Other [[wiki code]] will almost certainly be required.''

	::''A single standard for at least the [[GFDL text corpus]] is highly desirable, and hopefully will be supported in [[GetWiki_2.0]] or another [[MediaWiki]] fork. See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=GetWiki:InterWiki GetWiki:Interwiki en:Wikinfo:GetWiki:InterWiki] for more on this and integration into [[GetWiki]].''		::''A single standard for at least the [[GFDL text corpus]] is highly desirable, and hopefully will be supported in [[GetWiki_2.0]] or another [[MediaWiki]] fork. See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=GetWiki:InterWiki GetWiki:Interwiki en:Wikinfo:GetWiki:InterWiki] for more on this and integration into [[GetWiki]].''

Support a unified GFDL Corpus at 10:08, 15 August 2004

2004-08-15T10:08:50Z

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	'''See [[Wiki linking]] for practical information how similar linking is done right now.'''		'''See [[Wiki linking]] for practical information how similar linking is done right now.'''

			A proposal to meet the '''interwiki link standard''' at least from a user point of view, is to use [[anchor text]] that meets it, even though [[MediaWiki]] and [[GetWiki]] are still treating language spaces as subsets of Wikipedia. So you create links that look right, and meet the eventual language-first-service-second standard, but they can be raw URLs or use the (wrong, service-first-language-second) name scheme [[MediaWiki]] and [[GetWiki]] use now. So for example <nowiki>[[whatever you are forced by software to put here, put here, like wikipedia:fr:anomie or the raw URL\|fr:Wikipedia:anomie]]</nowiki>. A bot can clean it up later.

142.177.108.240: cleaning up, making GetWiki link wrong as on Wikinfo (done to censor the material by Parrott)

2004-05-06T19:42:30Z

cleaning up, making GetWiki link wrong as on Wikinfo (done to censor the material by Parrott)

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	In a [[wikitext standard]], an '''interwiki link standard''' refers to articles in wiki form stored in another service. ~~Protocol and editing functions are assumed to be similar~~, so the ~~'''interwiki link~~ standard~~''' is a bit simpler than the [[standard wiki URI]] for linking into a wiki from non-wiki space. It consists only of~~:		In a [[wikitext standard]], an '''interwiki link standard''' refers to articles in wiki form stored in another service. From within a wiki, the simple standard usage should/must be:

	[ [ language:service:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]		:<nowiki>[[language:service:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section]]</nowiki>

	:''This contrasts with the '''current [[GetWiki]] and [[MediaWiki]] usage:'''		:''This contrasts with the '''current [[GetWiki]] and [[MediaWiki]] usage:'''
			::'''<nowiki>[[ service:language:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section]]</nowiki>'''

	:''~~'<nowiki>[ [ service:language:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]</nowiki>'''~~		:''The existing usage is clearly wrong since languages is above service in any [[corpus]] organizing scheme. The present scheme is [[Wikipedia]]-centric:''

	~~:''This~~ usage is clearly wrong since languages is above service in any [[corpus]] organizing scheme. The present scheme is [[Wikipedia]]-centric:''

	::''For example [[Wikipedia:fr:Commerce �quitable]] or [[w:fr:Commerce �quitable]] map incorrectly to what should be at [[fr:Wikipedia:Commerce �quitable]]. It is not up to the service to decide what languages to serve in, nor is it up to the service to decide how to carve up space within that language. Not only that, but the name of the service is itself expressed in a language.''		::''For example [[Wikipedia:fr:Commerce �quitable]] or [[w:fr:Commerce �quitable]] map incorrectly to what should be at [[fr:Wikipedia:Commerce �quitable]]. It is not up to the service to decide what languages to serve in, nor is it up to the service to decide how to carve up space within that language. Not only that, but the name of the service is itself expressed in a language.''

			::WORKAROUND:

	~~Note that, as~~ [[wiki linking]] relies on [[HTTP]] almost by definition, it omits the "http://" protocol and "/wiki/" subprotocol designations as redundant.		The '''interwiki link standard''' expands slightly into the [[standard wiki URI]] when linking into a wiki from non-wiki space. Since [[wiki linking]] relies on [[HTTP]] almost by definition, it omits the "http://" protocol and "/wiki/" subprotocol designations as redundant, leaving just the language, service, page title, and subpage (if any).

	Supporting the proper "language:service:" prefix radically simplifies [[wiki linking]]. Among other things, the language prefix can often be omitted or assumed, if it is the same as the language the current page is in.		Supporting the proper "language:service:" prefix radically simplifies [[wiki linking]]. Among other things, the language prefix can often be omitted or assumed, if it is the same as the language the current page is in.

	Because of various uses of abbreviations for services, assumptions about services, etc., it is presently quite confusing. [[Mediawiki]] supports a deliberately Wikipedia-centric scheme in which for instance "[ [ en: ] ]" means not "in English" but "in the English Wikipedia". As a result, a reference to "[ [ en: Metaweb: phyle ] ]" will be interpreted incorrectly as a reference to English Wikipedia where there is no article, instead of correctly to [http://www.metaweb.com/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=phyle English Metaweb 'phyle'] where there is one. [[Mediawiki]] is likely to continue to resist and retard the development of such a standard for the usual reasons (typically [[software imperialism]] - see [[Wikimedia]] for discussion of this.) ''Prove us wrong?''		Because of various uses of abbreviations for services, assumptions about services, etc., it is presently quite confusing. [[Mediawiki]] supports a deliberately Wikipedia-centric scheme in which for instance "[ [ en: ] ]" means not "in English" but "in the English Wikipedia". As a result, a reference to "[ [ en: Metaweb: phyle ] ]" will be interpreted incorrectly as a reference to English Wikipedia where there is no article, instead of correctly to [http://www.metaweb.com/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=phyle English Metaweb 'phyle'] where there is one.

	~~A single~~ standard for ~~at least~~ the [[~~GFDL text corpus~~]] ~~is highly desirable,~~ and ~~hopefully will be supported in~~ [[~~GetWiki_2.0~~]]~~, which will then hopefully displace~~ [[~~MediaWiki~~]] ~~entirely~~.		:''[[Mediawiki]] is likely to continue to resist and retard the development of such a standard for the usual reasons (typically [[software imperialism]] and specifically the control of that project by [[Erik Moeller]] and [[Tim Starling]] - see [[Wikimedia]] and [[Wikimedia corruption]] for discussion of this problem). Other [[wiki code]] will almost certainly be required.''

	''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=~~interwiki_link_standard~~ Wikinfo:~~interwiki link standard~~] for more on this and integration into [[GetWiki]].''		::''A single standard for at least the [[GFDL text corpus]] is highly desirable, and hopefully will be supported in [[GetWiki_2.0]] or another [[MediaWiki]] fork. See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=GetWiki:InterWiki GetWiki:Interwiki en:Wikinfo:GetWiki:InterWiki] for more on this and integration into [[GetWiki]].''

	'''See [[Wiki linking]] for practical information how similar linking is done right now.'''		'''See [[Wiki linking]] for practical information how similar linking is done right now.'''

Jukeboksi: minor formatting

2004-03-14T13:48:53Z

minor formatting

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	[ [ language:service:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]		[ [ language:service:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]

	:''This contrasts with the current [[GetWiki]] and [[MediaWiki]] usage:		:''This contrasts with the '''current [[GetWiki]] and [[MediaWiki]] usage:'''

	:<nowiki>[ [ service:language:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]</nowiki>		:'''<nowiki>[ [ service:language:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]</nowiki>'''

	:''This usage is clearly wrong since languages is above service in any [[corpus]] organizing scheme. The present scheme is [[Wikipedia]]-centric:''		:''This usage is clearly wrong since languages is above service in any [[corpus]] organizing scheme. The present scheme is [[Wikipedia]]-centric:''

142.177.114.78 at 00:16, 14 March 2004

2004-03-14T00:16:51Z

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	:<nowiki>[ [ service:language:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]</nowiki>		:<nowiki>[ [ service:language:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]</nowiki>

	:''This usage is clearly wrong since languages is above.]]		:''This usage is clearly wrong since languages is above service in any [[corpus]] organizing scheme. The present scheme is [[Wikipedia]]-centric:''

	''It is not up to the service to decide what languages to serve in, nor is it up to the service to decide how to carve up space within that language. Not only that, but the name of the service is itself expressed in a language.''		::''

	Regardless of the current incorrect or proper standard usage, [[fr:Commerce �quitable]] should map to http://fr.consumerium.org/ if this domain existed and would be enabled in the interwiki maps stored in the database.		Regardless of the current incorrect or proper standard usage, [[fr:Commerce �quitable]] should map to http://fr.consumerium.org/ if this domain existed and would be enabled in the interwiki maps stored in the database.

142.177.114.78 at 00:15, 14 March 2004

2004-03-14T00:15:19Z

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	:''This contrasts with the current [[GetWiki]] and [[MediaWiki]] usage:		:''This contrasts with the current [[GetWiki]] and [[MediaWiki]] usage:

	:''[ [ service:language:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]''		:<nowiki>[ [ service:language:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]</nowiki>

	:''This usage is clearly wrong since languages is above.]]		:''This usage is clearly wrong since languages is above.]]

142.177.114.78: rewrite; you cannot set standards by institutionalizing bad technology-driven errors as misfeatures; the ISO sets these standards, ditch MediaWiki if it can't meet them

2004-03-14T00:14:36Z

rewrite; you cannot set standards by institutionalizing bad technology-driven errors as misfeatures; the ISO sets these standards, ditch MediaWiki if it can't meet them

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	In a [[wikitext standard]], an '''interwiki link standard''' refers to articles in wiki form stored in another service. Protocol and editing functions are assumed to be similar, so the '''interwiki link standard''' is a bit simpler than the [[standard wiki URI]] for linking into a wiki from non-wiki space. It consists only of:		In a [[wikitext standard]], an '''interwiki link standard''' refers to articles in wiki form stored in another service. Protocol and editing functions are assumed to be similar, so the '''interwiki link standard''' is a bit simpler than the [[standard wiki URI]] for linking into a wiki from non-wiki space. It consists only of:

	~~<s>~~[ [ language:service:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]~~</s>~~		[ [ language:service:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]
	~~<pre>[ [ service:language:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]</pre>~~

	'''This ~~approach is more workable since it happens to work on this~~ [[~~wiki~~]] and ~~other [[wikis]] too without any~~ [[MediaWiki ~~modifications\|changes~~]] ~~to [[MediaWiki\|the underlying software]]'''~~		:''This contrasts with the current [[GetWiki]] and [[MediaWiki]] usage:

	~~For example [[Wikipedia:fr~~:[[w:fr::]] ~~map to http://fr.consumerium.org/ if this domain existed and would be enabled in the interwiki maps stored in the database.~~		:''[ [ service:language:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]''

	''~~Note it omits the "http://" protocol and "/wiki/" subprotocol designations as redundant~~.''		:''This usage is clearly wrong since languages is above.]]

	Supporting ~~these~~ radically simplifies [[wiki linking]]. Because of various uses of abbreviations for services, assumptions about services, etc., it is presently quite confusing. [[Mediawiki]] supports a deliberately Wikipedia-centric scheme in which for instance "[ [ en: ] ]" means not "in English" but "in the English Wikipedia". As a result, a reference to "[ [ en: Metaweb: phyle ] ]" will be interpreted incorrectly as a reference to English Wikipedia where there is no article, instead of correctly to [http://www.metaweb.com/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=phyle English Metaweb 'phyle'] where there is one. [[Mediawiki]] is likely to continue to resist and retard the development of such a standard for the usual reasons (typically [[software imperialism]] - see [[Wikimedia]] for discussion of this.) ''Prove us wrong?''



			Note that, as [[wiki linking]] relies on [[HTTP]] almost by definition, it omits the "http://" protocol and "/wiki/" subprotocol designations as redundant.

			Supporting the proper "language:service:" prefix radically simplifies [[wiki linking]]. Among other things, the language prefix can often be omitted or assumed, if it is the same as the language the current page is in.

			Because of various uses of abbreviations for services, assumptions about services, etc., it is presently quite confusing. [[Mediawiki]] supports a deliberately Wikipedia-centric scheme in which for instance "[ [ en: ] ]" means not "in English" but "in the English Wikipedia". As a result, a reference to "[ [ en: Metaweb: phyle ] ]" will be interpreted incorrectly as a reference to English Wikipedia where there is no article, instead of correctly to [http://www.metaweb.com/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=phyle English Metaweb 'phyle'] where there is one. [[Mediawiki]] is likely to continue to resist and retard the development of such a standard for the usual reasons (typically [[software imperialism]] - see [[Wikimedia]] for discussion of this.) ''Prove us wrong?''

	A single standard for at least the [[GFDL text corpus]] is highly desirable, and hopefully will be supported in [[GetWiki_2.0]], which will then hopefully displace [[MediaWiki]] entirely.		A single standard for at least the [[GFDL text corpus]] is highly desirable, and hopefully will be supported in [[GetWiki_2.0]], which will then hopefully displace [[MediaWiki]] entirely.
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	''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=interwiki_link_standard Wikinfo:interwiki link standard] for more on this and integration into [[GetWiki]].''		''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=interwiki_link_standard Wikinfo:interwiki link standard] for more on this and integration into [[GetWiki]].''

	'''See [[Wiki linking]] for practical information how similar linking is done right now.'''~~</nowiki>~~		'''See [[Wiki linking]] for practical information how similar linking is done right now.'''

Jukeboksi: language:service -> service:language with explanations

2004-03-13T16:55:06Z

language:service -> service:language with explanations

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	In a [[wikitext standard]], an '''interwiki link standard''' refers to articles in wiki form stored in another service. Protocol and editing functions are assumed to be similar, so the '''interwiki link standard''' is a bit simpler than the [[standard wiki URI]] for linking into a wiki from non-wiki space. It consists only of:		In a [[wikitext standard]], an '''interwiki link standard''' refers to articles in wiki form stored in another service. Protocol and editing functions are assumed to be similar, so the '''interwiki link standard''' is a bit simpler than the [[standard wiki URI]] for linking into a wiki from non-wiki space. It consists only of:

	[ [ language:service:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]		<s>[ [ language:service:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]</s>
			<pre>[ [ service:language:namespace_within_service:page/subpage#section ] ]</pre>

			'''This approach is more workable since it happens to work on this [[wiki]] and other [[wikis]] too without any [[MediaWiki modifications\|changes]] to [[MediaWiki\|the underlying software]]'''



	''Note it omits the "http://" protocol and "/wiki/" subprotocol designations as redundant.''		''Note it omits the "http://" protocol and "/wiki/" subprotocol designations as redundant.''
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	''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=interwiki_link_standard Wikinfo:interwiki link standard] for more on this and integration into [[GetWiki]].''		''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=interwiki_link_standard Wikinfo:interwiki link standard] for more on this and integration into [[GetWiki]].''

	'''See [[Wiki linking]] for practical information how similar linking is done right now.'''		'''See [[Wiki linking]] for practical information how similar linking is done right now.'''</nowiki>

Jukeboksi: '''See Interwiki linking for practical information how similar linking is done right now.'''

2004-03-09T18:51:10Z

'''See Interwiki linking for practical information how similar linking is done right now.'''

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	''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=interwiki_link_standard Wikinfo:interwiki link standard] for more on this and integration into [[GetWiki]].''		''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=interwiki_link_standard Wikinfo:interwiki link standard] for more on this and integration into [[GetWiki]].''

			'''See [[Wiki linking]] for practical information how similar linking is done right now.'''

142.177.92.162 at 00:28, 9 March 2004

2004-03-09T00:28:57Z

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	''Note it omits the "http://" protocol and "/wiki/" subprotocol designations as redundant.''		''Note it omits the "http://" protocol and "/wiki/" subprotocol designations as redundant.''

	Supporting these radically simplifies [[wiki linking]]. Because of various uses of abbreviations for services, assumptions about services, etc., it is presently quite confusing. [[Mediawiki]] supports a deliberately Wikipedia-centric scheme in which for instance "[ [ en: ] ]" means not "in English" but "in the English Wikipedia".		Supporting these radically simplifies [[wiki linking]]. Because of various uses of abbreviations for services, assumptions about services, etc., it is presently quite confusing. [[Mediawiki]] supports a deliberately Wikipedia-centric scheme in which for instance "[ [ en: ] ]" means not "in English" but "in the English Wikipedia". As a result, a reference to "[ [ en: Metaweb: phyle ] ]" will be interpreted incorrectly as a reference to English Wikipedia where there is no article, instead of correctly to [http://www.metaweb.com/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=phyle English Metaweb 'phyle'] where there is one. [[Mediawiki]] is likely to continue to resist and retard the development of such a standard for the usual reasons (typically [[software imperialism]] - see [[Wikimedia]] for discussion of this.) ''Prove us wrong?''

	A single standard for at least the [[GFDL text corpus]] is highly desirable, and hopefully will be supported in [[GetWiki_2.0]]~~. [[Mediawiki]] is likely to continue to resist and retard the development of such a standard for the usual reasons ([[software imperialism]] - see~~ [[~~Wikimedia~~]] ~~for discussion of this~~.)		A single standard for at least the [[GFDL text corpus]] is highly desirable, and hopefully will be supported in [[GetWiki_2.0]], which will then hopefully displace [[MediaWiki]] entirely.

	''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=interwiki_link_standard Wikinfo:interwiki link standard] for more on this and integration into [[GetWiki]].''		''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=interwiki_link_standard Wikinfo:interwiki link standard] for more on this and integration into [[GetWiki]].''