Interwiki identity standard - Revision history

142.177.8.24 at 19:27, 28 August 2004

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	Use of a [[jabber.org]] ID has been suggested as an '''interwiki identity standard''' for ~~all~~ [[~~GFDL corpus access provider~~]]s~~. This has many advantages~~, ~~few drawbacks, and tends to help overcome the problems with strict~~ [[~~IP number]] based accountability and with [[identity dispute]]s arising from the many different [[user name space~~]]s. ~~It should also solve the [[GFDL corpus]] problems with the [[attribution]] required by the [[GFDL]] itself.~~		Use of a [[jabber.org]] ID has been suggested as an '''interwiki identity standard''' or '''single login''' or '''sign-on''' for many [[large public wiki]]s, in particular for all [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s.

	This would simplify [[identity dispute]]s for those who used such a voluntary common ID. For clashing allegations of identity, only a [[faction]] system can possibly work. ''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=~~Wikinfo:faction en:Wikinfo:faction] for a proposal for this that would suit pan-GFDL editing.''~~		=== making attribution claims easier ===

			Basically, the advantage is that [[attribution]] as required by [[GFDL]] and [[CC-by]] licenses becomes more or less automatic assuming the identity or sign-on is not [[cracked]]: people '''login''' once under a persistent [[pseudonym]] or perhaps their [[body name]] if they voluntarily disclose that, and thereafter, whatever is done from that [[login]] is properly attributed.

	~~''(insert example of~~ the ~~variety~~ and ~~complexity of problems~~ arising from ~~lack~~ of such a ~~standard, exploitation possibilities caused by identity confusion)~~''		This has many advantages, few drawbacks, and tends to help overcome the problems with strict [[IP number]] based accountability and with [[identity dispute]]s arising from the many different [[user name space]]s. It should also solve the [[GFDL corpus]] problems with the [[attribution]] required by the [[GFDL]] itself and reduce the impact of [[Wikimedia corruption]] on the [[GFDL corpus]].

			By reducing assumptions about [[alleged and collective identity]], i.e. the allegation or assumption that User:X on Wiki:X "is also" User:X on Wiki Y, it may reduce [[identity dispute]]s. For those who used such a voluntary common ID or '''single sign-on''' it would be slightly more difficult to impersonate them.

	Ensuring all [[wiki user page]]s alleged to, or claimed to, belong to "the same person", and keeping these claims or allegations correctly attributed, is further simplified by reliance on a [[standard wiki URI]] for all such pages. ''Typically the [[Language:User:]] space is reserved for this on [[MediaWiki-based service]]s.''		Ensuring all [[wiki user page]]s alleged to, or claimed to, belong to "the same person", and keeping these claims or allegations correctly attributed, is further simplified by reliance on a [[standard wiki URI]] for all such pages. ''Typically the [[Language:User:]] space is reserved for this on [[MediaWiki-based service]]s.''

			=== factions still required ===

			However, for clashing allegations of identity, with deliberate deception, only a [[faction]] system can possibly work in the long run. ''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=Wikinfo:faction en:Wikinfo:faction] for a proposal for this that would suit pan-GFDL editing, and[http://ouranswer.org/wiki.phtml?title=faction en: OurAnswer:faction] for an experiment in this method.''

			''(insert example of the variety and complexity of problems arising from lack of such a standard, exploitation possibilities caused by identity confusion)''

	Such a standard would not resolve other collective and alleged identity questions, where one is dealing not with self-alleged identity but with other-alleged identity. There is a fairly complex interaction between the question of factions and that of [[power structure]]s, including the role of [[sysop]]s and other such empowered users, and those they specifically disempower, called "[[trolls]]" and "[[vandals]]". Much of the complexity is re: trolling:		Such a standard would not resolve other collective and alleged identity questions, where one is dealing not with self-alleged identity but with other-alleged identity. There is a fairly complex interaction between the question of factions and that of [[power structure]]s, including the role of [[sysop]]s and other such empowered users, and those they specifically disempower, called "[[trolls]]" and "[[vandals]]". Much of the complexity is re: trolling:

142.177.92.38 at 20:18, 29 May 2004

2004-05-29T20:18:43Z

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	~~See~~ [~~http://www.wikinfo~~.org~~/wiki.phtml?title=interwiki_identity_standard en:Wikinfo:~~interwiki identity standard~~] for a proposal~~ for [[~~GetWiki~~]] ~~recognition of one ID~~, ~~preferably~~ [[~~jabber~~.~~org~~]] ~~ID, for all of~~ [[~~GetWiki~~]] ~~space~~.		Use of a [[jabber.org]] ID has been suggested as an '''interwiki identity standard''' for all [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s. This has many advantages, few drawbacks, and tends to help overcome the problems with strict [[IP number]] based accountability and with [[identity dispute]]s arising from the many different [[user name space]]s. It should also solve the [[GFDL corpus]] problems with the [[attribution]] required by the [[GFDL]] itself.

	If [[~~GetWiki~~]] ~~also monitors~~ the ~~whole~~ [[~~GFDL text corpus~~]] at the [[standard wiki URI]]s, and the [[~~wikitext standard~~]] ~~supports the~~ [[~~RecentChanges~~]] and [[~~DeletedPages~~]] ~~log~~'~~s conventions, it would be easy~~ to ~~have~~ some ~~common address other than simple~~ [[IP number]]s ~~across many~~ [[large public wiki]]s.		This would simplify [[identity dispute]]s for those who used such a voluntary common ID. For clashing allegations of identity, only a [[faction]] system can possibly work. ''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=Wikinfo:faction en:Wikinfo:faction] for a proposal for this that would suit pan-GFDL editing.''


			''(insert example of the variety and complexity of problems arising from lack of such a standard, exploitation possibilities caused by identity confusion)''

			Ensuring all [[wiki user page]]s alleged to, or claimed to, belong to "the same person", and keeping these claims or allegations correctly attributed, is further simplified by reliance on a [[standard wiki URI]] for all such pages. ''Typically the [[Language:User:]] space is reserved for this on [[MediaWiki-based service]]s.''

			Such a standard would not resolve other collective and alleged identity questions, where one is dealing not with self-alleged identity but with other-alleged identity. There is a fairly complex interaction between the question of factions and that of [[power structure]]s, including the role of [[sysop]]s and other such empowered users, and those they specifically disempower, called "[[trolls]]" and "[[vandals]]". Much of the complexity is re: trolling:

			Avoiding the issue of an '''interwiki identity standard''' will almost certainly lead to various assertions that "X is a troll" where X is some inexactly defined cluster of concepts or styles or [[IP number]]s, leading to what are called [[echo chamber]] allegations floating all over, and even to other [[large public wiki]]s. Accordingly this is probably an important issue to address in [[GetWiki]], which ideally would support jabber.org logins.

			=== Wikinfo could have led, but won't ===

	This would ~~simplify~~ [[~~identity dispute~~]]s ~~for those who used such a voluntary common ID~~. ~~For clashing allegations of identity~~, ~~only~~ a [[~~faction~~]] ~~system can possibly work. ''See~~ [~~http://www.wikinfo~~.org~~/wiki.phtml?title=Wikinfo:faction en:Wikinfo:faction~~] for ~~a proposal for this that would suit pan-GFDL editing~~.''		This is a huge problem on [[Wikipedia]] and somewhat on [[Wikinfo]], though this seems less likely, since [[sympathetic point of view]] requires fewer intra-article clashes. Of all [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s, Wikinfo may be the least likely to actually have this kind of problem. If [[GetWiki]] also monitors the whole [[GFDL text corpus]] at the [[standard wiki URI]]s, and the [[wikitext standard]] supports the [[RecentChanges]] and [[DeletedPages]] log's conventions, it would be easy to have some common address other than simple [[IP number]]s across many [[large public wiki]]s. However, a proposal for [[GetWiki]] recognition of one ID, preferably [[jabber.org]] ID, for all of [[GetWiki]] space, was censored by the particularly stupid [[GetWiki]] developers, who seem clearly only interested in their own commercial benefit.

142.177.92.162 at 01:20, 9 March 2004

2004-03-09T01:20:21Z

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	See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=interwiki_identity_standard interwiki identity standard] for a proposal for [[GetWiki]] recognition of one ID, preferably [[jabber.org]] ID, for all of [[GetWiki]] space.		See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=interwiki_identity_standard en:Wikinfo:interwiki identity standard] for a proposal for [[GetWiki]] recognition of one ID, preferably [[jabber.org]] ID, for all of [[GetWiki]] space.

	If [[GetWiki]] also monitors the whole [[GFDL text corpus]] at the [[standard wiki URI]]s, and the [[wikitext standard]] supports the [[RecentChanges]] and [[DeletedPages]] log's conventions, it would be easy to have some common address other than simple [[IP number]]s across many [[large public wiki]]s.		If [[GetWiki]] also monitors the whole [[GFDL text corpus]] at the [[standard wiki URI]]s, and the [[wikitext standard]] supports the [[RecentChanges]] and [[DeletedPages]] log's conventions, it would be easy to have some common address other than simple [[IP number]]s across many [[large public wiki]]s.

	This would simplify [[identity dispute]]s for those who used such a voluntary common ID. For clashing allegations of identity, only a [[faction]] system can possibly work. ''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=Wikinfo:faction en:Wikinfo:faction] for a proposal for this that would suit pan-GFDL editing.''		This would simplify [[identity dispute]]s for those who used such a voluntary common ID. For clashing allegations of identity, only a [[faction]] system can possibly work. ''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=Wikinfo:faction en:Wikinfo:faction] for a proposal for this that would suit pan-GFDL editing.''

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2004-03-09T01:19:39Z

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	If [[GetWiki]] also monitors the whole [[GFDL text corpus]] at the [[standard wiki URI]]s, and the [[wikitext standard]] supports the [[RecentChanges]] and [[DeletedPages]] log's conventions, it would be easy to have some common address other than simple [[IP number]]s across many [[large public wiki]]s.		If [[GetWiki]] also monitors the whole [[GFDL text corpus]] at the [[standard wiki URI]]s, and the [[wikitext standard]] supports the [[RecentChanges]] and [[DeletedPages]] log's conventions, it would be easy to have some common address other than simple [[IP number]]s across many [[large public wiki]]s.

	This would simplify [[identity dispute]]s for those who used such a voluntary common ID. For clashing allegations of identity, only a [[faction]] system can possibly work. ''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=Wikinfo:faction Wikinfo:faction] for a proposal for this that would suit pan-GFDL editing.''		This would simplify [[identity dispute]]s for those who used such a voluntary common ID. For clashing allegations of identity, only a [[faction]] system can possibly work. ''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=Wikinfo:faction en:Wikinfo:faction] for a proposal for this that would suit pan-GFDL editing.''

142.177.92.162 at 22:52, 8 March 2004

2004-03-08T22:52:48Z

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See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=interwiki_identity_standard interwiki identity standard] for a proposal for [[GetWiki]] recognition of one ID, preferably [[jabber.org]] ID, for all of [[GetWiki]] space.

If [[GetWiki]] also monitors the whole [[GFDL text corpus]] at the [[standard wiki URI]]s, and the [[wikitext standard]] supports the [[RecentChanges]] and [[DeletedPages]] log's conventions, it would be easy to have some common address other than simple [[IP number]]s across many [[large public wiki]]s.

This would simplify [[identity dispute]]s for those who used such a voluntary common ID. For clashing allegations of identity, only a [[faction]] system can possibly work. ''See [http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=Wikinfo:faction Wikinfo:faction] for a proposal for this that would suit pan-GFDL editing.''