Humptydumptyism - Revision history

142.177.93.57: clarifying three variations, only one of which seems to be real word twisting

2005-03-10T20:30:22Z

clarifying three variations, only one of which seems to be real word twisting

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	'''Humptydumptyism''', or '''idiosyncratic definition''', is a common and simple [[trolling tactic]], vital to the creation of a [[trollish]] vocabulary.		'''Humptydumptyism''', or '''idiosyncratic definition''', is a common and simple [[trolling tactic]], vital to the creation of a [[trollish]] vocabulary.

	The [[troll]] (or [[trollherd]]) takes a word and finds a little-used definition for it - or makes up its own definition - then insists that its definition is the ''only'' proper use of the word. For example, where others might use any of the many definitions for ''community''[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=community], the troll might insist that the word means ''only'' "those who share a risk of bodily harm", and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong. The ~~aim~~ of ~~this tactic is unclear to those who use language in an undisciplined way~~. ~~Like much that~~ [[~~trolls~~]] do, ~~it has the~~ effect ~~of increasing discord among those who insist on the fuzzy or ambiguous meaning, and who seek~~ to ~~retain power for themselves:~~		The [[troll]] (or [[trollherd]]) takes a word and finds a little-used definition for it - or makes up its own definition - then insists that its definition is the ''only'' proper use of the word.

			== used for framing ==

			Sometimes this is a symptom of [[moral poltiics]] or [[deep framing]] or [[politics as usual]]. For example, where others of low moral or bodily integrity might use any of the many definitions for ''community''[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=community], the troll might insist that the word means ''only'' "those who share a risk of bodily harm", and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong. The [[political dispute]] about the appropriate definition of a community, e.g. [[epistemic community]], is in effect curtailed by a reference to [[trollish]] itself.

	Under [[sysopism]], this would be seen as making meaningful communication difficult or impossible. Since [[sysop vandalism]] relies on an arbitrary definition of a "community" that the sysops "protect", it is important that they retain control of its borders. [[Trollism]] rejects this, but so do many ordinary [[faction]]s concerned with the impact of online information and decisions on the real world.		Under [[sysopism]], this would be seen as making meaningful communication difficult or impossible. Since [[sysop vandalism]] relies on an arbitrary definition of a "community" that the sysops "protect", it is important that they retain control of its borders. [[Trollism]] rejects this, but so do many ordinary [[faction]]s concerned with the impact of online information and decisions on the real world.

	A variant on this tactic is claiming that a piece of text says something that serves the troll's agenda, when ~~any literate person can see it does not~~. For example, a troll advocating conspiracy theories about [[w:en:NASA\|NASA]] might claim that a proposed "laser broom" designed to protect the [[w:en:International Space Station\|International Space Station]] from orbiting debris was a violation of treaties against weapons in space, even when the system was entirely ground-based. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/884256.stm]		The aim of this kind of tactic is unclear to those who use language in an undisciplined way. Like much that [[trolls]] do, it has the effect of increasing discord among those who insist on the fuzzy or ambiguous meaning, and who seek to retain power for themselves:

			It is quite common also for sysops to insist that a word or phraser has a certain threatening meaning also, and use this to exclude those they dislike - that they label "[[trolls]]". This is probably the origin of the tactic. If [[sysops are trolls]] then it is reasonable to consider this a trolling tactic, else it is simply [[politics as usual]].

			== slippery slope ==

			A variant on this tactic is claiming that a piece of text says something that serves the troll's agenda, when there is room for dispute, or, only a bad faith interpretation would cause the trolls' meaning to be taken up by others. For example, a troll advocating conspiracy theories about [[w:en:NASA\|NASA]] might claim that a proposed "laser broom" designed to protect the [[w:en:International Space Station\|International Space Station]] from orbiting debris was a violation of treaties against weapons in space, even when the system was entirely ground-based. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/884256.stm]

			It might be reasonable however to claim that once objects are being shot out of space, space weapons are easier to deploy. This relies however on further bad faith interpretation and is thus a [[slippery slope]] argument.

			== legalism ==

			In part because they are inclined to [[fork off]], most trolls claim that "[t]he terms of the GFDL itself are quite clear that any improvement to the [[GFDL corpus]] must be made available to all", though the GFDL only implies that those improvements that are made visible to a small group, be visible to everyone.

			While they certainly are correct in principle, legally it's ambiguous, and a major problem with the GFDL as an [[open content]] license, that the exact obligations of an [[online service]] hosting an effort to improve the [[GFDL corpus]] has very unclear obligations in some respects. In these circumstances it is mere [[politics as usual]] to claim that one of several interpretations apply, though the more rigid requirement to share all improvements is well in line with the implications of the [[GPL]] and [[free software]] movements in which this requirement is clear.

	Another troll might claim "[t]he terms of the GFDL itself are quite clear that any improvement to the [[GFDL corpus]] must be made available to all", though the GFDL only implies that those improvements that are made visible to a small group, be visible to everyone. In fact it~~'s ambiguous, and~~ a ~~major problem with the GFDL as an [[open content]] license, that the exact obligations~~ of an [[~~online service~~]] ~~hosting~~ an ~~effort to improve the~~ [[~~GFDL corpus~~]] ~~has very unclear obligations~~ in ~~some respects~~. ~~In these circumstances it~~ is ~~mere [[politics as usual]] to claim that one of several interpretations apply, though~~ the ~~more rigid requirement to share all improvements is well~~ in ~~line with the implications of the [[GPL]] and [[free software]] movements in which this requirement~~ is ~~clear~~.		Accordingly it is a symptom of [[legalism]] - being forced into an [[adversarial process]] where one is in effect arguing like a lawyer - that this kind of tactic gets used. It is the same in any courtroom where a legal case is being presented.

142.177.93.57: one is a good example of this phenomena, one is a good example of trollism itself, and the third is a politics as usual debate

2005-03-10T20:22:45Z

one is a good example of this phenomena, one is a good example of trollism itself, and the third is a politics as usual debate

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	:—''[[w:en:Through the Looking Glass\|Troll the Looking Glass]], ch. VI		:—''[[w:en:Through the Looking Glass\|Troll the Looking Glass]], ch. VI

	'''Humptydumptyism''', or '''idiosyncratic definition''', is a common and simple [[trolling tactic]], vital to the creation of a [[trollish]] vocabulary. The [[troll]] (or [[trollherd]]) takes a word and finds a little-used definition for it - or makes up its own definition - then insists that its definition is the ''only'' proper use of the word. For example, where others might use any of the many definitions for ''community''[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=community], the troll might insist that the word means ''only'' "those who share a risk of bodily harm", and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong. The aim of this tactic is unclear, but like much that [[trolls]] do, it has the effect of increasing discord - in this case by making meaningful communication difficult or impossible.		'''Humptydumptyism''', or '''idiosyncratic definition''', is a common and simple [[trolling tactic]], vital to the creation of a [[trollish]] vocabulary.

	A variant on this tactic is claiming that a piece of text says something that serves the troll's agenda, when any literate person can see it does not. For example, a troll advocating conspiracy theories about [[w:en:NASA\|NASA]] might claim that a proposed "laser broom" designed to protect the [[w:en:International Space Station\|International Space Station]] from orbiting debris was a violation of treaties against weapons in space, even when the system was entirely ground-based. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/884256.stm] Another troll might claim "[t]he terms of the GFDL itself are quite clear that any improvement to the corpus must be made available to all", though the GFDL ~~contains no such language~~. ~~This tactic~~ is ~~rarer~~, ~~since it~~ is ~~easily seen through~~.		The [[troll]] (or [[trollherd]]) takes a word and finds a little-used definition for it - or makes up its own definition - then insists that its definition is the ''only'' proper use of the word. For example, where others might use any of the many definitions for ''community''[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=community], the troll might insist that the word means ''only'' "those who share a risk of bodily harm", and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong. The aim of this tactic is unclear to those who use language in an undisciplined way. Like much that [[trolls]] do, it has the effect of increasing discord among those who insist on the fuzzy or ambiguous meaning, and who seek to retain power for themselves:

			Under [[sysopism]], this would be seen as making meaningful communication difficult or impossible. Since [[sysop vandalism]] relies on an arbitrary definition of a "community" that the sysops "protect", it is important that they retain control of its borders. [[Trollism]] rejects this, but so do many ordinary [[faction]]s concerned with the impact of online information and decisions on the real world.

			A variant on this tactic is claiming that a piece of text says something that serves the troll's agenda, when any literate person can see it does not. For example, a troll advocating conspiracy theories about [[w:en:NASA\|NASA]] might claim that a proposed "laser broom" designed to protect the [[w:en:International Space Station\|International Space Station]] from orbiting debris was a violation of treaties against weapons in space, even when the system was entirely ground-based. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/884256.stm]

			Another troll might claim "[t]he terms of the GFDL itself are quite clear that any improvement to the [[GFDL corpus]] must be made available to all", though the GFDL only implies that those improvements that are made visible to a small group, be visible to everyone. In fact it's ambiguous, and a major problem with the GFDL as an [[open content]] license, that the exact obligations of an [[online service]] hosting an effort to improve the [[GFDL corpus]] has very unclear obligations in some respects. In these circumstances it is mere [[politics as usual]] to claim that one of several interpretations apply, though the more rigid requirement to share all improvements is well in line with the implications of the [[GPL]] and [[free software]] movements in which this requirement is clear.

62.214.95.242 at 13:42, 5 March 2005

2005-03-05T13:42:41Z

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	'' 'When ''I'' use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' ''		'' 'When ''I'' use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' ''

	:—''[[w:en:Through the Looking Glass\|~~Through~~ the Looking Glass]], ch. VI		:—''[[w:en:Through the Looking Glass\|Troll the Looking Glass]], ch. VI

	'''Humptydumptyism''', or '''idiosyncratic definition''', is a common and simple [[trolling tactic]], vital to the creation of a [[trollish]] vocabulary. The [[troll]] (or [[trollherd]]) takes a word and finds a little-used definition for it - or makes up its own definition - then insists that its definition is the ''only'' proper use of the word. For example, where others might use any of the many definitions for ''community''[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=community], the troll might insist that the word means ''only'' "those who share a risk of bodily harm", and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong. The aim of this tactic is unclear, but like much that [[trolls]] do, it has the effect of increasing discord - in this case by making meaningful communication difficult or impossible.		'''Humptydumptyism''', or '''idiosyncratic definition''', is a common and simple [[trolling tactic]], vital to the creation of a [[trollish]] vocabulary. The [[troll]] (or [[trollherd]]) takes a word and finds a little-used definition for it - or makes up its own definition - then insists that its definition is the ''only'' proper use of the word. For example, where others might use any of the many definitions for ''community''[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=community], the troll might insist that the word means ''only'' "those who share a risk of bodily harm", and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong. The aim of this tactic is unclear, but like much that [[trolls]] do, it has the effect of increasing discord - in this case by making meaningful communication difficult or impossible.

	A variant on this tactic is claiming that a piece of text says something that serves the troll's agenda, when any literate person can see it does not. For example, a troll advocating conspiracy theories about [[w:en:NASA\|NASA]] might claim that a proposed "laser broom" designed to protect the [[w:en:International Space Station\|International Space Station]] from orbiting debris was a violation of treaties against weapons in space, even when the system was entirely ground-based. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/884256.stm] Another troll might claim "[t]he terms of the GFDL itself are quite clear that any improvement to the corpus must be made available to all", though the GFDL contains no such language. This tactic is rarer, since it is easily seen through.		A variant on this tactic is claiming that a piece of text says something that serves the troll's agenda, when any literate person can see it does not. For example, a troll advocating conspiracy theories about [[w:en:NASA\|NASA]] might claim that a proposed "laser broom" designed to protect the [[w:en:International Space Station\|International Space Station]] from orbiting debris was a violation of treaties against weapons in space, even when the system was entirely ground-based. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/884256.stm] Another troll might claim "[t]he terms of the GFDL itself are quite clear that any improvement to the corpus must be made available to all", though the GFDL contains no such language. This tactic is rarer, since it is easily seen through.

216.127.82.99: links to many variations in the key of 'troll', mustn't forget those

2005-03-01T22:56:41Z

links to many variations in the key of 'troll', mustn't forget those

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	:—''[[w:en:Through the Looking Glass\|Through the Looking Glass]], ch. VI		:—''[[w:en:Through the Looking Glass\|Through the Looking Glass]], ch. VI

	'''Humptydumptyism''', or '''idiosyncratic definition''', is a common and simple [[trolling tactic]]. The troll takes a word and finds a little-used definition for it - or makes up its own definition - then insists that its definition is the ''only'' proper use of the word. For example, where others might use any of the many definitions for ''community''[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=community], the troll might insist that the word means ''only'' "those who share a risk of bodily harm", and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong. The aim of this tactic is unclear, but like much that trolls do, it has the effect of increasing discord - in this case by making meaningful communication difficult or impossible.		'''Humptydumptyism''', or '''idiosyncratic definition''', is a common and simple [[trolling tactic]], vital to the creation of a [[trollish]] vocabulary. The [[troll]] (or [[trollherd]]) takes a word and finds a little-used definition for it - or makes up its own definition - then insists that its definition is the ''only'' proper use of the word. For example, where others might use any of the many definitions for ''community''[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=community], the troll might insist that the word means ''only'' "those who share a risk of bodily harm", and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong. The aim of this tactic is unclear, but like much that [[trolls]] do, it has the effect of increasing discord - in this case by making meaningful communication difficult or impossible.

	A variant on this tactic is claiming that a piece of text says something that serves the troll's agenda, when any literate person can see it does not. For example, a troll advocating conspiracy theories about [[w:en:NASA\|NASA]] might claim that a proposed "laser broom" designed to protect the [[w:en:International Space Station\|International Space Station]] from orbiting debris was a violation of treaties against weapons in space, even when the system was entirely ground-based. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/884256.stm] Another troll might claim "[t]he terms of the GFDL itself are quite clear that any improvement to the corpus must be made available to all", though the GFDL contains no such language. This tactic is rarer, since it is easily seen through.		A variant on this tactic is claiming that a piece of text says something that serves the troll's agenda, when any literate person can see it does not. For example, a troll advocating conspiracy theories about [[w:en:NASA\|NASA]] might claim that a proposed "laser broom" designed to protect the [[w:en:International Space Station\|International Space Station]] from orbiting debris was a violation of treaties against weapons in space, even when the system was entirely ground-based. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/884256.stm] Another troll might claim "[t]he terms of the GFDL itself are quite clear that any improvement to the corpus must be made available to all", though the GFDL contains no such language. This tactic is rarer, since it is easily seen through.

216.127.82.99: how it increases discord

2005-03-01T22:50:41Z

how it increases discord

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	:—''[[w:en:Through the Looking Glass\|Through the Looking Glass]], ch. VI		:—''[[w:en:Through the Looking Glass\|Through the Looking Glass]], ch. VI

	'''Humptydumptyism''', or '''idiosyncratic definition''', is a common and simple [[trolling tactic]]. The troll takes a word and finds a little-used definition for it - or makes up its own definition - then insists that its definition is the ''only'' proper use of the word. For example, where others might use any of the many definitions for ''community''[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=community], the troll might insist that the word means ''only'' "those who share a risk of bodily harm", and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong. The aim of this tactic is unclear, but like much that trolls do, it has the effect of increasing discord.		'''Humptydumptyism''', or '''idiosyncratic definition''', is a common and simple [[trolling tactic]]. The troll takes a word and finds a little-used definition for it - or makes up its own definition - then insists that its definition is the ''only'' proper use of the word. For example, where others might use any of the many definitions for ''community''[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=community], the troll might insist that the word means ''only'' "those who share a risk of bodily harm", and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong. The aim of this tactic is unclear, but like much that trolls do, it has the effect of increasing discord - in this case by making meaningful communication difficult or impossible.

	A variant on this tactic is claiming that a piece of text says something that serves the troll's agenda, when any literate person can see it does not. For example, a troll advocating conspiracy theories about [[w:en:NASA\|NASA]] might claim that a proposed "laser broom" designed to protect the [[w:en:International Space Station\|International Space Station]] from orbiting debris was a violation of treaties against weapons in space, even when the system was entirely ground-based. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/884256.stm] Another troll might claim "[t]he terms of the GFDL itself are quite clear that any improvement to the corpus must be made available to all", though the GFDL contains no such language. This tactic is rarer, since it is easily seen through.		A variant on this tactic is claiming that a piece of text says something that serves the troll's agenda, when any literate person can see it does not. For example, a troll advocating conspiracy theories about [[w:en:NASA\|NASA]] might claim that a proposed "laser broom" designed to protect the [[w:en:International Space Station\|International Space Station]] from orbiting debris was a violation of treaties against weapons in space, even when the system was entirely ground-based. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/884256.stm] Another troll might claim "[t]he terms of the GFDL itself are quite clear that any improvement to the corpus must be made available to all", though the GFDL contains no such language. This tactic is rarer, since it is easily seen through.

216.127.82.99: common trolling tactic

2005-03-01T22:50:04Z

common trolling tactic

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'' 'When ''I'' use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' ''

:—''[[w:en:Through the Looking Glass|Through the Looking Glass]], ch. VI

'''Humptydumptyism''', or '''idiosyncratic definition''', is a common and simple [[trolling tactic]]. The troll takes a word and finds a little-used definition for it - or makes up its own definition - then insists that its definition is the ''only'' proper use of the word. For example, where others might use any of the many definitions for ''community''[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=community], the troll might insist that the word means ''only'' "those who share a risk of bodily harm", and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong. The aim of this tactic is unclear, but like much that trolls do, it has the effect of increasing discord.

A variant on this tactic is claiming that a piece of text says something that serves the troll's agenda, when any literate person can see it does not. For example, a troll advocating conspiracy theories about [[w:en:NASA|NASA]] might claim that a proposed "laser broom" designed to protect the [[w:en:International Space Station|International Space Station]] from orbiting debris was a violation of treaties against weapons in space, even when the system was entirely ground-based. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/884256.stm] Another troll might claim "[t]he terms of the GFDL itself are quite clear that any improvement to the corpus must be made available to all", though the GFDL contains no such language. This tactic is rarer, since it is easily seen through.