Heroic trolling - Revision history

142.177.109.56: noting subtleties for non-trolls, inevitability of conflicting views of heroic trolling, e.g. view of geniuses vs. view of morons will necessarily differ

2004-09-08T00:29:45Z

noting subtleties for non-trolls, inevitability of conflicting views of heroic trolling, e.g. view of geniuses vs. view of morons will necessarily differ

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	'''Heroic trolling''' also seems to justify the enormous amount of time wasted on [[Wikipedia]] and other [[large public wiki]]s, trying to make them useful. ''See [[Talk:trolling]] for the '''Wikiactivist''' view of this work.''		'''Heroic trolling''' also seems to justify the enormous amount of time wasted on [[Wikipedia]] and other [[large public wiki]]s, trying to make them useful. ''See [[Talk:trolling]] for the '''Wikiactivist''' view of this work.''

	For instance:		Due to [[politics as usual]], views of '''heroic trolling''' tend to be wildly contradictory. For instance:

	*engaging in witty combat until someone very stupid or doing things clearly contradicting the [[wiki mission]] is [[driven off by trolls]], e.g. the author of [http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/index.php?title=Heroic_trolling this nonsense]:		*engaging in witty combat until someone very stupid or doing things clearly contradicting the [[wiki mission]] is [[driven off by trolls]], e.g. the author of [http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/index.php?title=Heroic_trolling this nonsense] (note ironic self-link implying this article is itself nonsense):

			::::VERSUS
	:For instance, replacing useful articles with poorly-written, [[Consumerium:FAQ\|poorly-linked]], semi-coherent rants that use an idiosyncratic vocabulary that nobody else understands.		:For instance, replacing useful articles with poorly-written, [[Consumerium:FAQ\|poorly-linked]], semi-coherent rants that use an idiosyncratic vocabulary that nobody else understands.
	::Clearly they do by now, as they are able to mimic this vocabulary while attempting to mock it! Poorly linked? Hell if anything they're over-linked.		::Clearly they do by now, as they are able to mimic this vocabulary while attempting to mock it! Poorly linked? Hell if anything they're over-linked.
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	*simply acting as [[Lowest Troll]] when there is no one else doing so. Some [[honour]] may accrue to those who take such responsibilities, and [[stigma]] will likely accrue also via the [[sysop power structure]] which sees trolling as vandalism and their own activities, necessarily, as being never [[sysop vandalism\|capable of becoming equivalent to vandalism]]. The lower the [[social status]] and the more stigma applied by [[vile mailing list\|vile]] people, the more '''heroic'''. Especially given nonsensical attacks like:		*simply acting as [[Lowest Troll]] when there is no one else doing so. Some [[honour]] may accrue to those who take such responsibilities, and [[stigma]] will likely accrue also via the [[sysop power structure]] which sees trolling as vandalism and their own activities, necessarily, as being never [[sysop vandalism\|capable of becoming equivalent to vandalism]]. The lower the [[social status]] and the more stigma applied by [[vile mailing list\|vile]] people, the more '''heroic'''. Especially given nonsensical attacks like:

	:Very little [[honour]] may accrue to those who take such "responsibilities", and [[stigma]] will likely accrue also via anyone who sees through the trolls' silly masturbatory fantasies of importance.		::::VERSUS
	::Funny, it would seem [[Wikimedia]] has such fantasies, and seems also to generate the importance of both its own [[sysop power structure]] and the [[bogeyman]] they claim is its justification for existence.
	:Naturally, the individuals who believe in "heroic trolling" get some sort of thrill out of their electronic chest-beating and dung-flinging; why they do will forever remain a mystery.		::Very little [[honour]] may accrue to those who take such "responsibilities", and [[stigma]] will likely accrue also via anyone who sees through the trolls' silly masturbatory fantasies of importance.
	::Perhaps [[magnificent trolling]] or [[suing for funding]] is the objective?		:::Funny, it would seem [[Wikimedia]] has such fantasies, and seems also to generate the importance of both its own [[sysop power structure]] and the [[bogeyman]] they claim is its justification for existence.
			::Naturally, the individuals who believe in "heroic trolling" get some sort of thrill out of their electronic chest-beating and dung-flinging; why they do will forever remain a mystery.
			:::Perhaps [[magnificent trolling]] or [[suing for funding]] is the objective?

	Because the Lowest Troll usually has some [[infrastructure owners trust]], however, they cannot achieve what is called [[magnificent trolling]] - this term is reserved for very despised [[trolls]] who drive off even [[GodKing]]s and discredit [[ontologist]]s, which is later seen to be a Good Thing. The [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] seems to engage in heroic trolling and to recognize that there is some potential for magnificence in their activities to oppose [[Wikimedia]].		Because the Lowest Troll usually has some [[infrastructure owners trust]], however, they cannot achieve what is called [[magnificent trolling]] - this term is reserved for very despised [[trolls]] who drive off even [[GodKing]]s and discredit [[ontologist]]s, which is later seen to be a Good Thing. The [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] seems to engage in heroic trolling and to recognize that there is some potential for magnificence in their activities to oppose [[Wikimedia]].

207.44.154.35: better still

2004-09-08T00:24:51Z

better still

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	*engaging in witty combat until someone very stupid or doing things clearly contradicting the [[wiki mission]] is [[driven off by trolls]], e.g. [~~[User~~:~~142~~.~~177~~.X.~~X\|the author]] of~~ this nonsense:		*engaging in witty combat until someone very stupid or doing things clearly contradicting the [[wiki mission]] is [[driven off by trolls]], e.g. the author of [http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/index.php?title=Heroic_trolling this nonsense]:

	:For instance, replacing useful articles with poorly-written, [[Consumerium:FAQ\|poorly-linked]], semi-coherent rants that use an idiosyncratic vocabulary that nobody else understands.		:For instance, replacing useful articles with poorly-written, [[Consumerium:FAQ\|poorly-linked]], semi-coherent rants that use an idiosyncratic vocabulary that nobody else understands.

207.44.154.35: clarifying link

2004-09-08T00:15:38Z

clarifying link

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	*engaging in witty combat until someone very stupid or doing things clearly contradicting the [[wiki mission]] is [[driven off by trolls]], e.g. the author of this nonsense:		*engaging in witty combat until someone very stupid or doing things clearly contradicting the [[wiki mission]] is [[driven off by trolls]], e.g. [[User:142.177.X.X\|the author]] of this nonsense:

	:For instance, replacing useful articles with poorly-written, [[Consumerium:FAQ\|poorly-linked]], semi-coherent rants that use an idiosyncratic vocabulary that nobody else understands.		:For instance, replacing useful articles with poorly-written, [[Consumerium:FAQ\|poorly-linked]], semi-coherent rants that use an idiosyncratic vocabulary that nobody else understands.

142.177.109.56: putting apparently-apprentice-troll comments in context

2004-09-08T00:13:06Z

putting apparently-apprentice-troll comments in context

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-'''Heroic trolling''' is a name invented by someone out in Halifax to justify the enormous amount of time he wastes making an ass of himself on [[Wikipedia]] and other [[large public wiki]]s.
+'''Heroic trolling''' is [[trolling]] that is broadly and objectively recognized by most people (other than the [[sysop power structure]] of course) as doing something useful.  That is, defying '''lifetime ban'''s and other such made-up nonsense to continue to try to improve tabloid-quality crap, e.g. those articles published by [[Wikimedia]] about [[neoclassical economics]] from [[Fox News point of view]].
-For instance, replacing useful articles with poorly-written, [[Consumerium:FAQ|poorly-linked]], semi-coherent rants that use an idiosyncratic vocabulary that nobody else understands. Or, trumping up supposed issues of [[systemic bias]]  and tarring anyone who disagrees with the label of "[[Wikipedia Red Faction|sysop]]" (equivalent to "witch" or "devil" in the heroic troll's vocabulary).  Or, simply hijacking (or attempting to hijack) various [[large public wiki]]s in service of what appears to be an odd pseudo-Green agenda, or possibly just for the thrill of annoying people without any possibility of retribution - hard to say. Heroic trolls are naturally too lazy to set up their own projects, but love to stomp all over others' - perhaps they take delight in [[m:Castle jumpers|castle jumping]].
+'''Heroic trolling''' also seems to justify the enormous amount of time wasted on [[Wikipedia]] and other [[large public wiki]]s, trying to make them useful.  ''See [[Talk:trolling]] for the '''Wikiactivist''' view of this work.''
-Very little [[honour]] may accrue to those who take such "responsibilities", and [[stigma]] will likely accrue also via anyone who sees through the trolls' silly masturbatory fantasies of importance. Naturally, the individuals who believe in "heroic trolling" get some sort of thrill out of their electronic chest-beating and dung-flinging; why they do will forever remain a mystery.
+For instance:

207.44.154.35: countertrolling, and I think I see why our fellow trolls do this so much - it's loads of fun

2004-09-07T23:57:34Z

countertrolling, and I think I see why our fellow trolls do this so much - it's loads of fun

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	'''Heroic trolling''' is [[~~trolling~~]] ~~that is recognized by most people (~~other ~~than the~~ [[~~sysop power structure~~]] ~~of course) as doing something useful~~.		'''Heroic trolling''' is a name invented by someone out in Halifax to justify the enormous amount of time he wastes making an ass of himself on [[Wikipedia]] and other [[large public wiki]]s.

	For instance, ~~engaging in witty combat until someone very stupid or doing things clearly contradicting the~~ [[~~wiki mission~~]] is [[~~driven off by trolls~~]]. ~~Or, raising~~ and ~~suggesting ways to fix issues~~ of [[~~systemic bias~~]] (~~which sysops will always claim does not exist~~). Or, simply ~~acting as~~ [[~~Lowest Troll~~]] ~~when there is no one else doing so. Some [[honour]] may accrue~~ to ~~those who take such responsibilities~~, ~~and [[stigma]] will likely accrue also via~~ the ~~[[sysop power structure]] which sees trolling as vandalism and~~ their own ~~activities, necessarily~~, ~~as being never [[sysop vandalism\|capable of becoming equivalent~~ to ~~vandalism]]. The lower the~~ [[~~social status]] and the more stigma applied by [[vile mailing list~~\|~~vile~~]] ~~people, the more '''heroic'''~~.		For instance, replacing useful articles with poorly-written, [[Consumerium:FAQ\|poorly-linked]], semi-coherent rants that use an idiosyncratic vocabulary that nobody else understands. Or, trumping up supposed issues of [[systemic bias]] and tarring anyone who disagrees with the label of "[[Wikipedia Red Faction\|sysop]]" (equivalent to "witch" or "devil" in the heroic troll's vocabulary). Or, simply hijacking (or attempting to hijack) various [[large public wiki]]s in service of what appears to be an odd pseudo-Green agenda, or possibly just for the thrill of annoying people without any possibility of retribution - hard to say. Heroic trolls are naturally too lazy to set up their own projects, but love to stomp all over others' - perhaps they take delight in [[m:Castle jumpers\|castle jumping]].

	~~Because the Lowest Troll usually has some~~ [[~~infrastructure owners trust~~]], ~~however, they cannot achieve what is called~~ [[~~magnificent trolling~~]] ~~- this term is reserved for very despised [[~~trolls]] who ~~drive off even [[GodKing]]s and discredit [[ontologist]]s, which is later seen to be a Good Thing. The [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] seems to engage~~ in heroic trolling ~~and to recognize that there is~~ some ~~potential for magnificence in~~ their ~~activities to oppose [[Wikimedia]]~~.		Very little [[honour]] may accrue to those who take such "responsibilities", and [[stigma]] will likely accrue also via anyone who sees through the trolls' silly masturbatory fantasies of importance. Naturally, the individuals who believe in "heroic trolling" get some sort of thrill out of their electronic chest-beating and dung-flinging; why they do will forever remain a mystery.

142.177.103.156 at 20:27, 30 August 2004

2004-08-30T20:27:21Z

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	'''Heroic trolling''' is [[trolling]] that is recognized by most people (other than the [[sysop power structure]] of course) as doing something useful. For instance, engaging in witty combat until someone very stupid or doing things clearly contradicting the [[wiki mission]] is [[driven off by trolls]]. Or, raising and suggesting ways to fix issues of [[systemic bias]] (which sysops will always claim does not exist). Or, simply acting as [[Lowest Troll]] when there is no one else doing so. Because the Lowest Troll has some ~~social status~~, however, they cannot achieve what is called [[magnificent trolling]] - this term is reserved for very despised [[trolls]] who drive off even [[GodKing]]s and discredit [[ontologist]]s, which is later seen to be a Good Thing. The [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] seems to engage in heroic trolling and to recognize that there is some potential for magnificence in their activities to oppose [[Wikimedia]].		'''Heroic trolling''' is [[trolling]] that is recognized by most people (other than the [[sysop power structure]] of course) as doing something useful.

			For instance, engaging in witty combat until someone very stupid or doing things clearly contradicting the [[wiki mission]] is [[driven off by trolls]]. Or, raising and suggesting ways to fix issues of [[systemic bias]] (which sysops will always claim does not exist). Or, simply acting as [[Lowest Troll]] when there is no one else doing so. Some [[honour]] may accrue to those who take such responsibilities, and [[stigma]] will likely accrue also via the [[sysop power structure]] which sees trolling as vandalism and their own activities, necessarily, as being never [[sysop vandalism\|capable of becoming equivalent to vandalism]]. The lower the [[social status]] and the more stigma applied by [[vile mailing list\|vile]] people, the more '''heroic'''.

			Because the Lowest Troll usually has some [[infrastructure owners trust]], however, they cannot achieve what is called [[magnificent trolling]] - this term is reserved for very despised [[trolls]] who drive off even [[GodKing]]s and discredit [[ontologist]]s, which is later seen to be a Good Thing. The [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] seems to engage in heroic trolling and to recognize that there is some potential for magnificence in their activities to oppose [[Wikimedia]].

142.177.93.77 at 06:49, 11 June 2004

2004-06-11T06:49:46Z

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'''Heroic trolling''' is [[trolling]] that is recognized by most people (other than the [[sysop power structure]] of course) as doing something useful. For instance, engaging in witty combat until someone very stupid or doing things clearly contradicting the [[wiki mission]] is [[driven off by trolls]]. Or, raising and suggesting ways to fix issues of [[systemic bias]] (which sysops will always claim does not exist). Or, simply acting as [[Lowest Troll]] when there is no one else doing so. Because the Lowest Troll has some social status, however, they cannot achieve what is called [[magnificent trolling]] - this term is reserved for very despised [[trolls]] who drive off even [[GodKing]]s and discredit [[ontologist]]s, which is later seen to be a Good Thing. The [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] seems to engage in heroic trolling and to recognize that there is some potential for magnificence in their activities to oppose [[Wikimedia]].