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	**[[social capital]] is the balance of trust that makes all the above work, and prevents [[legal struggle]] which would bring in unwanted parties, e.g. lawyers, who would come to the table with "ideas", which would be bad. Very bad. Soal capital has an [[bad side of social capital\|bad side]] as well. Things like a [[deed in land]] or [[right to pollute]] are totally social capital issues.		**[[social capital]] is the balance of trust that makes all the above work, and prevents [[legal struggle]] which would bring in unwanted parties, e.g. lawyers, who would come to the table with "ideas", which would be bad. Very bad. Soal capital has an [[bad side of social capital\|bad side]] as well. Things like a [[deed in land]] or [[right to pollute]] are totally social capital issues.
	**[[individual capital]] is ability to creatively resolve disputes. This is the [[CGO board]] role. They should be people who look only at extraction of [[individual capital]] from the [[talent base]] of [[trolls]] and from them co-opt help with the [[rule by trolls]] that emerges on any [[open campaign]]. A good example is how [[act.greenpeace.org]] does it. A good model for us, especially their anonymity policy.		**[[individual capital]] is ability to creatively resolve disputes. This is the [[CGO board]] role. They should be people who look only at extraction of [[individual capital]] from the [[talent base]] of [[trolls]] and from them co-opt help with the [[rule by trolls]] that emerges on any [[open campaign]]. A good example is how [[act.greenpeace.org]] does it. A good model for us, especially their anonymity policy.
			*[[financial capital]] is a measure of wastefulness. That is, if you have [[money]], you can throw something away that you would otherwise [[re-use]] or [[trade]]. A perfect [[money supply system]] rewards only habits of extreme and paranoid conservation, not of money, but of [[natural capital]] (avoiding pollution) and [[instructional capital]] (avoiding ideas, which are the pollution of thought) and [[social capital]] (not being too offensive if it can be avoided). All money ideally would come from turning waste into resources.

	A perfect statement of the above would be [[instructional capital]] that would let even [[trolls, ascendant]], run [[Consumerium]] alone with no [[CGO]] at all. This would be like Earth running itself with no "help" from humans.		A perfect statement of the above would be [[instructional capital]] that would let even [[trolls, ascendant]], run [[Consumerium]] alone with no [[CGO]] at all. This would be like Earth running itself with no "help" from humans.

	It is all a matter of seeing extraction and disposal as the same natural process, and thinking like a [[troll]]: living under the bridge only on garbage thrown down by [[human]] wastrels. Maybe barking at them nastily if they throw down [[nuclear waste]] or something else inedible even to fairly tough trolls.		It is all a matter of seeing extraction and disposal as the same natural process, and thinking like a [[troll]]: living under the bridge only on garbage thrown down by [[human]] wastrels. Maybe barking at them nastily if they throw down [[nuclear waste]] or something else inedible even to fairly tough trolls.

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'''Extraction and disposal''' are how [[resources]] are handled or [[waste]]d, or how [[waste as a resource]] is treated, and how [[resource as waste]] is mismanaged. One cannot look at these two issues separately under [[ISO 14000]].

"[[Economy]] is only three-fifths of [[ecology]]" - [[Mike Nickerson]].

Ecology is itself concerned with the way waste from one species creates resources for another. But we see this only from a limited [[human point of view]]. From the more expansive, underground, rooted, [[troll point of view]], there is a sixth concern, that of continuous doubt that ecology has it right.

The [[styles of capital]], all six of them, are related to extraction and disposal as follows:
*[[natural capital]] accepts [[waste]] and returns [[natural resources]] - this is the basis of all wealth and of [[w:value of Earth|value of Earth]].
*[[infrastructural capital]] makes this more efficient, from a [[human point of view]], i.e. Chinese farmers put up outhouses near their fields to get [[night soil]] from travellers, which is also pig food, which make food for everyone.
*[[human capital]] (a [[human point of view]] on [[instructional capital]], [[social capital]], and [[individual capital]] in some combination) has both [[labour]] and [[optimizing]] as output. It also has [[ideas]] which are bad.
**[[instructional capital]] consists of codifying optimizations to save natural and infrastructural capital, and keep individual capital from being wasted as pointless labour. Perfect instructional capital has no ideas in it - just as perfect soil has no seeds! ''[[Wikipedia]] attempts to achieve this, but sometimes, ideas sneak in, mostly because [[sysops]] like them. This leads directly to [[troll-sysop struggle]] as sysops try to promote ideas and trolls try to remove them.'' Social capital has an [[ugly side of social capital|ugly side]] - [[political struggle]] - that we all dislike but must do anyway. The [[CGO]] can help us do it effeciently.
**[[social capital]] is the balance of trust that makes all the above work, and prevents [[legal struggle]] which would bring in unwanted parties, e.g. lawyers, who would come to the table with "ideas", which would be bad. Very bad. Soal capital has an [[bad side of social capital|bad side]] as well. Things like a [[deed in land]] or [[right to pollute]] are totally social capital issues.
**[[individual capital]] is ability to creatively resolve disputes. This is the [[CGO board]] role. They should be people who look only at extraction of [[individual capital]] from the [[talent base]] of [[trolls]] and from them co-opt help with the [[rule by trolls]] that emerges on any [[open campaign]]. A good example is how [[act.greenpeace.org]] does it. A good model for us, especially their anonymity policy.

A perfect statement of the above would be [[instructional capital]] that would let even [[trolls, ascendant]], run [[Consumerium]] alone with no [[CGO]] at all. This would be like Earth running itself with no "help" from humans.

It is all a matter of seeing extraction and disposal as the same natural process, and thinking like a [[troll]]: living under the bridge only on garbage thrown down by [[human]] wastrels. Maybe barking at them nastily if they throw down [[nuclear waste]] or something else inedible even to fairly tough trolls.

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