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		<title>142.177.94.100 at 16:10, 26 June 2004</title>
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		<updated>2004-06-26T16:10:46Z</updated>

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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 16:10, 26 June 2004&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;E-voting&#039;&#039;&#039; is, in general, a bad idea.  There is no way to make [[audit trail]]s trusted and comprehensible to the average person voting, even if that average person is a power user or has average programmer skills.  The [[public key crypto]] solutions all require understanding and trusting algorithms that, ultimately, cannot be understood by the ordinary person voting, leading to a &quot;just trust me&quot; situation that is not necessarily better than just trusting a [[GodKing]] to make all the decisions.  &#039;&#039;See [[board vote code]] for an example of how [[Wikimedia corruption]] and e-voting are converging to create a system that only the most notorious [[developer vigilantiism|vigilantes]] will understand and be able to hack to their specifications.&#039;&#039;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;E-voting&#039;&#039;&#039; is, in general, a bad idea.  There is no way to make [[audit trail]]s trusted and comprehensible to the average person voting, even if that average person is a power user or has average programmer skills.  The [[public key crypto]] solutions all require understanding and trusting algorithms that, ultimately, cannot be understood by the ordinary person voting, leading to a &quot;just trust me&quot; situation that is not necessarily better than just trusting a [[GodKing]] to make all the decisions &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;- at least one &#039;&#039;knows&#039;&#039; one is doing that!  &lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;One must [[assume bad faith]] in all analysis of e-voting systems.  Not to do so opens up infinite avenues for abuse&lt;/ins&gt;.  &#039;&#039;See [[board vote code]] for an example of how [[Wikimedia corruption]] and e-voting are converging to create a system that only the most notorious [[developer vigilantiism|vigilantes]] will understand and be able to hack to their specifications.&#039;&#039;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;However, there is a use for electronic [[edits, votes and bets]] in the ordinary daily types of decisions that do not involve choosing a person but rather an outcome.  If a person is to have a very narrow mandate to make only a small number of decisions for a short period of time, e-voting may be tolerable and even desirable, if it does not shortcut [[consensus decision making]] and [[deliberative democracy]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;However, there is a use for electronic [[edits, votes and bets]] in the ordinary daily types of decisions that do not involve choosing a person but rather an outcome.  If a person is to have a very narrow mandate to make only a small number of decisions for a short period of time, e-voting may be tolerable and even desirable, if it does not shortcut [[consensus decision making]] and [[deliberative democracy]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>142.177.94.100 at 16:04, 26 June 2004</title>
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		<updated>2004-06-26T16:04:25Z</updated>

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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;E-voting&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; is, in general, a bad idea.  There is no way to make [[audit trail]]s trusted and comprehensible to the average person voting, even if that average person is a power user or has average programmer skills.  The [[public key crypto]] solutions all require understanding and trusting algorithms that, ultimately, cannot be understood by the ordinary person voting, leading to a &amp;quot;just trust me&amp;quot; situation that is not necessarily better than just trusting a [[GodKing]] to make all the decisions.  &amp;#039;&amp;#039;See [[board vote code]] for an example of how [[Wikimedia corruption]] and e-voting are converging to create a system that only the most notorious [[developer vigilantiism|vigilantes]] will understand and be able to hack to their specifications.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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However, there is a use for electronic [[edits, votes and bets]] in the ordinary daily types of decisions that do not involve choosing a person but rather an outcome.  If a person is to have a very narrow mandate to make only a small number of decisions for a short period of time, e-voting may be tolerable and even desirable, if it does not shortcut [[consensus decision making]] and [[deliberative democracy]].&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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