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		<id>https://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Due_process&amp;diff=14448&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>142.177.103.144: strongly differentiating the Consumerium approach from Wikimedia - if we don&#039;t, then &quot;Wikipedians&quot; will show up and try to do things &quot;like we do in Wikipedia&quot; which will certainly destroy Consumerium</title>
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		<updated>2004-02-16T03:58:21Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;strongly differentiating the Consumerium approach from Wikimedia - if we don&amp;#039;t, then &amp;quot;Wikipedians&amp;quot; will show up and try to do things &amp;quot;like we do in Wikipedia&amp;quot; which will certainly destroy Consumerium&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 03:58, 16 February 2004&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l3&quot;&gt;Line 3:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;When no due process exists, there is usually said to be no justice, no democracy, and no rights.  These things are all thought in Western philosophy to proceed directly from due process.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;When no due process exists, there is usually said to be no justice, no democracy, and no rights.  These things are all thought in Western philosophy to proceed directly from due process.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Usually, due process includes and is served by an [[adversarial process]] where parties present their cases in a neutral form and stick to the facts.  &#039;&#039;See [[142.X.X.X/Tim_Starling]] for one such adversarial presentation, which speaks to the need for [[faction]] structure and strict control over the [[developer]]s whose power can overrule even the [[sysop power structure]] and corrupt [[wiki management]].&#039;&#039;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Usually, due process includes and is served by an [[adversarial process]] where parties present their cases in a neutral form and stick to the facts.  &#039;&#039;See [[142.X.X.X/Tim_Starling]] for one such adversarial presentation, which speaks to the need for [[faction]] structure and strict control over the [[developer]]s whose power can overrule even the [[sysop power structure]] and corrupt [[wiki management&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]] such as that which has already ruined [[Wikimedia&lt;/ins&gt;]].&#039;&#039;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The [[Content Wiki]] will have more need for such a process than [[Opinion Wiki]], since its content directly alters the [[consumerium buying signal]].  However, even for opinions, there is a need for a significantly higher degree of due process than is applied in most [[large public wiki]]s.  Failure to put it in place leads to [[usurper]] activity, [[framer]] tactics, and eventually [[cease and desist letter]]s that there is no clear [[paper trail]] to answer.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The [[Content Wiki]] will have more need for such a process than [[Opinion Wiki]], since its content directly alters the [[consumerium buying signal]].  However, even for opinions, there is a need for a significantly higher degree of due process than is applied in most [[large public wiki]]s.  Failure to put it in place leads to [[usurper]] activity, [[framer]] tactics, and eventually [[cease and desist letter]]s that there is no clear [[paper trail]] to answer.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;All of this will collapse [[Consumerium Services]] in a hurry, so a clearly-documented accountable trail that shows how things alter the buying signal is critical.  Probably it will not be complete and rigorous until there is a fully [[Transparent Consumerium]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;All of this will collapse [[Consumerium Services]] in a hurry, so a clearly-documented accountable trail that shows how things alter the buying signal is critical.  Probably it will not be complete and rigorous until there is a fully [[Transparent Consumerium]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>142.177.103.144 at 03:54, 16 February 2004</title>
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		<updated>2004-02-16T03:54:38Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Due process&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; is a legal term referring to a process that is evenly applied to all participants, with a clear and uniform [[standard of evidence]] that does not favour [[power structure]] insiders over outsiders, and which has the formal power and support of the enforcers, e.g. [[sysop power structure]], cops.&lt;br /&gt;
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When no due process exists, there is usually said to be no justice, no democracy, and no rights.  These things are all thought in Western philosophy to proceed directly from due process.&lt;br /&gt;
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Usually, due process includes and is served by an [[adversarial process]] where parties present their cases in a neutral form and stick to the facts.  &amp;#039;&amp;#039;See [[142.X.X.X/Tim_Starling]] for one such adversarial presentation, which speaks to the need for [[faction]] structure and strict control over the [[developer]]s whose power can overrule even the [[sysop power structure]] and corrupt [[wiki management]].&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Content Wiki]] will have more need for such a process than [[Opinion Wiki]], since its content directly alters the [[consumerium buying signal]].  However, even for opinions, there is a need for a significantly higher degree of due process than is applied in most [[large public wiki]]s.  Failure to put it in place leads to [[usurper]] activity, [[framer]] tactics, and eventually [[cease and desist letter]]s that there is no clear [[paper trail]] to answer.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
All of this will collapse [[Consumerium Services]] in a hurry, so a clearly-documented accountable trail that shows how things alter the buying signal is critical.  Probably it will not be complete and rigorous until there is a fully [[Transparent Consumerium]].&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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