Develop Wiki - Revision history

142.169.232.2 at 17:50, 2 September 2004

2004-09-02T17:50:45Z

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	The '''Develop Wiki''', formerly known as '''Development Wiki''' or '''R&D wiki''', is where [[software development concepts]], [[wiki management]] problems, etc., are discussed. It will always reliably be found at [http://develop.consumerium.org develop.consumerium.org] by any reasonable protocol ([[HTTP]], ~~[[FTP]], [[IRC]]~~ etc.).		The '''Develop Wiki''', formerly known as '''Development Wiki''' or '''R&D wiki''', is where [[software development concepts]], [[wiki management]] problems, etc., are discussed. It will always reliably be found at [http://develop.consumerium.org develop.consumerium.org] by any reasonable protocol ([[HTTP]], etc.).

	Eventually other material will be spun off into [[Research Wiki]] which will be a [[large public wiki]] with slightly better [[wiki governance]] under the supervision of the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]].		Eventually other material will be spun off into [[Research Wiki]] which will be a [[large public wiki]] with slightly better [[wiki governance]] under the supervision of the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]].
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	=== process ===		=== process ===

	1. Stupid ~~idea~~ proposed in '''Develop Wiki''' - [[trolls]] attack, [[gnawing]] it; Slightly less stupid ideas evolve like bacteria into undisputed [[gnawlij]]; Years of stupidity and trashing ideas might lead to one good [[90 day sprint]] ever year, two or three [[30 day sprint]]s, and maybe five or six [[14 day sprint]]s. Maybe three to five man years of work per year of [[software development]].		1. Stupid ideas proposed in '''Develop Wiki''' - [[trolls]] attack, [[gnawing]] it; Slightly less stupid ideas evolve like bacteria into undisputed [[gnawlij]]; Years of stupidity and trashing ideas might lead to one good [[90 day sprint]] ever year, two or three [[30 day sprint]]s, and maybe five or six [[14 day sprint]]s. Maybe three to five man years of work per year of [[software development]].

	2. Based on arguments about above, [[power structure]] evolves in [[Development Wiki]] with loose idea of who will recruit [[trolls]] from where to support what position; Agreement on how to make sure that real user needs, [[random facts]], and other [[user-land]] concerns are respected. For instance, limiting the total number of trolls to recruit from some [[large public wiki]], or requiring the [[faction]] to go find and pay some poor people (even [[cheap outsourced coder]]s) to disagree with them and their [[developed-world point of view]]. Agreements are informal.		2. Based on arguments about above, [[power structure]] evolves in [[Development Wiki]] with loose idea of who will recruit [[trolls]] from where to support what position; Agreement on how to make sure that real user needs, [[random facts]], and other [[user-land]] concerns are respected. For instance, limiting the total number of trolls to recruit from some [[large public wiki]], or requiring the [[faction]] to go find and pay some poor people (even [[cheap outsourced coder]]s) to disagree with them and their [[developed-world point of view]]. Agreements are informal.

142.177.93.9 at 18:57, 1 September 2004

2004-09-01T18:57:32Z

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	The '''Develop Wiki''' or '''Development Wiki'''~~, formerly known as~~ '''R&D wiki''', is where [[software development concepts]], [[wiki management]] problems, etc., are discussed. Eventually other material will be spun off into [[Research Wiki]] which will be a [[large public wiki]] with slightly better [[wiki governance]] under the supervision of the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]].		The '''Develop Wiki''', formerly known as '''Development Wiki''' or '''R&D wiki''', is where [[software development concepts]], [[wiki management]] problems, etc., are discussed. It will always reliably be found at [http://develop.consumerium.org develop.consumerium.org] by any reasonable protocol ([[HTTP]], [[FTP]], [[IRC]] etc.).

			Eventually other material will be spun off into [[Research Wiki]] which will be a [[large public wiki]] with slightly better [[wiki governance]] under the supervision of the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]].

	Meanwhile, the [[Publish Wiki]] will have only the exact data required to generate the [[Consumerium buying signal]]. Nothing will get to this wiki until it has been debated thoroughly as research, and accepted by at least one [[faction]] as affecting [[individual buying criteria]] for those that trust them to make such decisions.		Meanwhile, the [[Publish Wiki]] will have only the exact data required to generate the [[Consumerium buying signal]]. Nothing will get to this wiki until it has been debated thoroughly as research, and accepted by at least one [[faction]] as affecting [[individual buying criteria]] for those that trust them to make such decisions.
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	A proposed process for information flow from [[Research Wiki]] to [[Publish Wiki]]		A proposed process for information flow from [[Research Wiki]] to [[Publish Wiki]]

	:Name choice: The name [[~~signal wiki~~]] better matches [[Consumerium buying signal]], "[[buying signal wiki]]" would be even clearer.		:Name choice: The name [[Signal Wiki]] better matches [[Consumerium buying signal]], "[[buying signal wiki]]" would be even clearer.

	:Name choice: [[research wiki]] just admits that the opinions we share here are just as valid as the ones one might find in [[Wikipedia]], probably more so, since we really care about solving a [[user-land]] problem, and they don't.		:Name choice: [[research wiki]] just admits that the opinions we share here are just as valid as the ones one might find in [[Wikipedia]], probably more so, since we really care about solving a [[user-land]] problem, and they don't.
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	=== process ===		=== process ===

	1. Stupid idea proposed in '''Develop Wiki''' - [[trolls]] attack; Slightly less stupid ideas evolve like bacteria; Years of stupidity and trashing ideas might lead to one good [[90 day sprint]] ever year, two or three [[30 day sprint]]s, and maybe five or six [[14 day sprint]]s. Maybe three to five man years of work per year of [[software development]].		1. Stupid idea proposed in '''Develop Wiki''' - [[trolls]] attack, [[gnawing]] it; Slightly less stupid ideas evolve like bacteria into undisputed [[gnawlij]]; Years of stupidity and trashing ideas might lead to one good [[90 day sprint]] ever year, two or three [[30 day sprint]]s, and maybe five or six [[14 day sprint]]s. Maybe three to five man years of work per year of [[software development]].

	2. Based on arguments about above, [[power structure]] evolves in [[Development Wiki]] with loose idea of who will recruit [[trolls]] from where to support what position; Agreement on how to make sure that real user needs, [[random facts]], and other [[user-land]] concerns are respected. For instance, limiting the total number of trolls to recruit from some [[large public wiki]], or requiring the [[faction]] to go find and pay some poor people (even [[cheap outsourced coder]]s) to disagree with them and their [[developed-world point of view]]. Agreements are informal.		2. Based on arguments about above, [[power structure]] evolves in [[Development Wiki]] with loose idea of who will recruit [[trolls]] from where to support what position; Agreement on how to make sure that real user needs, [[random facts]], and other [[user-land]] concerns are respected. For instance, limiting the total number of trolls to recruit from some [[large public wiki]], or requiring the [[faction]] to go find and pay some poor people (even [[cheap outsourced coder]]s) to disagree with them and their [[developed-world point of view]]. Agreements are informal.

142.177.93.9: this isn't evolving on the talk page, updating and moving here

2004-09-01T18:36:38Z

this isn't evolving on the talk page, updating and moving here

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	~~#REDIRECT~~ [[~~Talk~~:Development Wiki]]		The '''Develop Wiki''' or '''Development Wiki''', formerly known as '''R&D wiki''', is where [[software development concepts]], [[wiki management]] problems, etc., are discussed. Eventually other material will be spun off into [[Research Wiki]] which will be a [[large public wiki]] with slightly better [[wiki governance]] under the supervision of the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]].

			Meanwhile, the [[Publish Wiki]] will have only the exact data required to generate the [[Consumerium buying signal]]. Nothing will get to this wiki until it has been debated thoroughly as research, and accepted by at least one [[faction]] as affecting [[individual buying criteria]] for those that trust them to make such decisions.

			This [[core data]], some of it [[factionally defined]], has to be good enough to justify deploying a whole [[healthy buying infrastructure]] just to get a look at it. Proving this will require a [[pilot]] project.

			=== issues ===

			A proposed process for information flow from [[Research Wiki]] to [[Publish Wiki]]

			:Name choice: The name [[signal wiki]] better matches [[Consumerium buying signal]], "[[buying signal wiki]]" would be even clearer.

			:Name choice: [[research wiki]] just admits that the opinions we share here are just as valid as the ones one might find in [[Wikipedia]], probably more so, since we really care about solving a [[user-land]] problem, and they don't.

			:Name choice: this is "develop.consumerium.org" so [[development wiki]] should be called '''Develop Wiki'''. Also the fact that we are doing both "R" and "D" in this [[mediawiki]] for now, is acknowledged, that just becomes two functions when we go to a [[pilot]].

			::Because the distinction between what is "subjective" and "objective" is up to the [[faction]] obviously, one of the [[open questions]] is what form of [[w:consensus decision making]] should be assumed. Since factions decide when something is "no longer an opinion but has become content" that means "it isn't disputed by anyone editing here?" Or not by trusted people, or by significant numbers of trusted people? Is it right to say that the bureaucracy in a gov't handles "content" and the politicians only handle "opinion"? I think it isn't.

			=== process ===

			1. Stupid idea proposed in '''Develop Wiki''' - [[trolls]] attack; Slightly less stupid ideas evolve like bacteria; Years of stupidity and trashing ideas might lead to one good [[90 day sprint]] ever year, two or three [[30 day sprint]]s, and maybe five or six [[14 day sprint]]s. Maybe three to five man years of work per year of [[software development]].

			2. Based on arguments about above, [[power structure]] evolves in [[Development Wiki]] with loose idea of who will recruit [[trolls]] from where to support what position; Agreement on how to make sure that real user needs, [[random facts]], and other [[user-land]] concerns are respected. For instance, limiting the total number of trolls to recruit from some [[large public wiki]], or requiring the [[faction]] to go find and pay some poor people (even [[cheap outsourced coder]]s) to disagree with them and their [[developed-world point of view]]. Agreements are informal.

			3. [[Research Wiki]] with formal [[faction]]s battle it out; They may gain or lose points in [[revert currency]] for violating trust of other [[faction]]s. Whole thing is like a [[turn-based strategy game]], [[politics as usual]], or whatever. It tries to be about as complex as real [[political party]] stuff, but not ''worse'' than that hopefully. ''Nothing less complex is known to work except [[GodKing]] dictatorship, and that usually has bad real world results.''

			4. [[Publish Wiki]] takes only what all [[faction]]s can agree is true. Since it's not "free" to push nonsense (see [[bet]] and [[revert currency]]), factions choose battles carefully, and let other factions win when there is no point opposing the truth.

			5. [[Consumerium buying signal]] errors are identified by [[noble user]]s who we trust more than our own [[core data]]; They come back as [[trolls]] to show us the error of our ways. When they die, AIs pretending to be them except way faster typing (!) come back to re-engineer the whole system to be [[trollish]].

			6. The [[trollish]] language evolves among the AIs and replaces English and the [[sysop power structure]]; Only AIs and really trolly trolls can understand it, and that only by dancing.

			7. Civilization ends and is entirely rebuilt by [[trolls]] with no [[sysop]]s.

142.177.114.217 at 19:33, 22 March 2004

2004-03-22T19:33:18Z

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142.177.106.10: #REDIRECT Development Wiki; the word "develop." is now actually used in the URI, so "Develop" must be an acceptable name for this

2004-03-21T21:43:19Z

#REDIRECT Development Wiki; the word "develop." is now actually used in the URI, so "Develop" must be an acceptable name for this

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#REDIRECT [[Development Wiki]]