Consumerpedia - Revision history

Jukeboksi: Unlinked the disappeared address. I am of the understanding that having non-existent links is bad for SEO

2018-10-28T11:47:37Z

Unlinked the disappeared address. I am of the understanding that having non-existent links is bad for SEO

← Older revision		Revision as of 11:47, 28 October 2018
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	It claims to provide information that consumers need to develop strategies for engaging in moral purchasing and moral living, to evaluate the morality behind their purchases, and to locate enterprises or products they need. It is a direct competitor to the [[Research Wiki]] in which [[Consumerium]] gathers similar information, but has no [[Consumerium:intermediate page\|consistent template for such pages]].		It claims to provide information that consumers need to develop strategies for engaging in moral purchasing and moral living, to evaluate the morality behind their purchases, and to locate enterprises or products they need. It is a direct competitor to the [[Research Wiki]] in which [[Consumerium]] gathers similar information, but has no [[Consumerium:intermediate page\|consistent template for such pages]].

	It was initiated by [[User:DanKeshet\|DanKeshet]] and it runs [[MediaWiki]]. Although its content is under [[GFDL]], it is guilty of some [[GFDL violation]]s already, which is not a good sign. It might be useful as a gathering place for [[Company]] and [[Boycott]] info so that the [[Development Wiki]] can focus only on [[use case]]s that actually move us forward towards [[pilot project]]s. However, it appears to simply be getting in the way of a real [[Research Wiki]] at this point. Among other things it ~~has no~~ [[standard wiki URI]]~~, i.e.~~		It was initiated by [[User:DanKeshet\|DanKeshet]] and it runs [[MediaWiki]]. Although its content is under [[GFDL]], it is guilty of some [[GFDL violation]]s already, which is not a good sign. It might be useful as a gathering place for [[Company]] and [[Boycott]] info so that the [[Development Wiki]] can focus only on [[use case]]s that actually move us forward towards [[pilot project]]s. However, it appears to simply be getting in the way of a real [[Research Wiki]] at this point. Among other things it did not have a [[standard wiki URI]]

	~~http://www.channel1.com/users/dkesh/consumerpedia/index.php/Main_Page~~

	is relatively impossible to remember, and thus unfit to use as a real address.		is relatively impossible to remember, and thus unfit to use as a real address.

	== ~~relationship~~ ==		== Relationship ==

	Something like Consumerpedia could be established and might work so well that it could become the [[Research Wiki]] - pages would be [[XML import]]ed to the [[Publish Wiki]] where they'd be turned into a [[Consumerium buying signal]], get only a final touch up for legal and language/translation/simplicity concerns, and reflect the [[buying criteria]] the user wants. There'd be no work for "our own" [[Research Wiki]] to do!		Something like Consumerpedia could be established and might work so well that it could become the [[Research Wiki]] - pages would be [[XML import]]ed to the [[Publish Wiki]] where they'd be turned into a [[Consumerium buying signal]], get only a final touch up for legal and language/translation/simplicity concerns, and reflect the [[buying criteria]] the user wants. There'd be no work for "our own" [[Research Wiki]] to do!
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	''See [[Research Wiki pilot]]s for some conditions of converging with other [[public wiki]]s.''		''See [[Research Wiki pilot]]s for some conditions of converging with other [[public wiki]]s.''

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			Its last known Internet address was www.channel1.com/users/dkesh/consumerpedia/index.php/Main_Page

Jukeboksi: is -> was

2018-10-28T11:32:44Z

is -> was

← Older revision		Revision as of 11:32, 28 October 2018
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	'''The Consumerpedia''' is a [[GodKing]]-and-[[sysop power structure]]-based project to create a [[GFDL corpus]] resource specifically to enable [[moral purchasing]], which means only what the GodKing and his sysops say it means.		'''The Consumerpedia''' was a [[GodKing]]-and-[[sysop power structure]]-based project to create a [[GFDL corpus]] resource specifically to enable [[moral purchasing]], which means only what the GodKing and his sysops say it means.

	It claims to provide information that consumers need to develop strategies for engaging in moral purchasing and moral living, to evaluate the morality behind their purchases, and to locate enterprises or products they need. It is a direct competitor to the [[Research Wiki]] in which [[Consumerium]] gathers similar information, but has no [[Consumerium:intermediate page\|consistent template for such pages]].		It claims to provide information that consumers need to develop strategies for engaging in moral purchasing and moral living, to evaluate the morality behind their purchases, and to locate enterprises or products they need. It is a direct competitor to the [[Research Wiki]] in which [[Consumerium]] gathers similar information, but has no [[Consumerium:intermediate page\|consistent template for such pages]].

142.177.114.181: removing convergence section and consensus, "We" no longer agree to work with this project; qualifying other predictions and claims

2004-04-02T20:19:48Z

removing convergence section and consensus, "We" no longer agree to work with this project; qualifying other predictions and claims

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	'''The Consumerpedia''' is a ~~collaborative~~ project to create a [[GFDL corpus]] resource specifically to enable [[moral purchasing]]~~. It will provide information that consumers need to develop strategies for engaging in moral purchasing and moral living~~, ~~to evaluate~~ the ~~morality behind their purchases,~~ and ~~to locate enterprises or products they need~~.		'''The Consumerpedia''' is a [[GodKing]]-and-[[sysop power structure]]-based project to create a [[GFDL corpus]] resource specifically to enable [[moral purchasing]], which means only what the GodKing and his sysops say it means.

	It was initiated by [[User:DanKeshet\|DanKeshet]] and it runs [[MediaWiki]] ~~and~~ content is under [[GFDL]] so it ~~can~~ be useful as a gathering place for [[Company]] and [[Boycott]] info so that the [[Development Wiki]] can focus only on [[use case]]s that actually move us forward towards [[pilot project]]s.		It claims to provide information that consumers need to develop strategies for engaging in moral purchasing and moral living, to evaluate the morality behind their purchases, and to locate enterprises or products they need. It is a direct competitor to the [[Research Wiki]] in which [[Consumerium]] gathers similar information, but has no [[Consumerium:intermediate page\|consistent template for such pages]].

			It was initiated by [[User:DanKeshet\|DanKeshet]] and it runs [[MediaWiki]]. Although its content is under [[GFDL]], it is guilty of some [[GFDL violation]]s already, which is not a good sign. It might be useful as a gathering place for [[Company]] and [[Boycott]] info so that the [[Development Wiki]] can focus only on [[use case]]s that actually move us forward towards [[pilot project]]s. However, it appears to simply be getting in the way of a real [[Research Wiki]] at this point. Among other things it has no [[standard wiki URI]], i.e.

	http://www.channel1.com/users/dkesh/consumerpedia/index.php/Main_Page		http://www.channel1.com/users/dkesh/consumerpedia/index.php/Main_Page

			is relatively impossible to remember, and thus unfit to use as a real address.

	== relationship ==		== relationship ==

	~~Ideally,~~ Consumerpedia ~~would~~ work so well that it could become the [[Research Wiki]] - pages would be [[XML import]]ed to the [[Publish Wiki]] where they'd be turned into a [[Consumerium buying signal]], get only a final touch up for legal and language/translation/simplicity concerns, and reflect the [[buying criteria]] the user wants. There'd be no work for "our own" [[Research Wiki]] to do!		Something like Consumerpedia could be established and might work so well that it could become the [[Research Wiki]] - pages would be [[XML import]]ed to the [[Publish Wiki]] where they'd be turned into a [[Consumerium buying signal]], get only a final touch up for legal and language/translation/simplicity concerns, and reflect the [[buying criteria]] the user wants. There'd be no work for "our own" [[Research Wiki]] to do!

	This sounds wonderful, but it's a fantasy. Without more structure and extremely consistent naming, it's going to be impossible to tell which companies or products are violating what criteria. ~~The~~ [[Consumerium:intermediate page]]s are supposed to standardize that data in the [[Research Wiki]]. So, very likely, the [[best cases]] where we don't need it at all, aren't realistic, they're just [[visions]] worth working towards but not to be expected as an outcome.		This sounds wonderful, but it's a fantasy. Without more structure and extremely consistent naming, it's going to be impossible to tell which companies or products are violating what criteria. [[Consumerium:intermediate page]]s are supposed to standardize that data in the [[Research Wiki]]. So, very likely, the [[best cases]] where we don't need it at all, aren't realistic, they're just [[visions]] worth working towards but not to be expected as an outcome.

	Much more likely, [[Consumerpedia]], [[Recyclopedia]], [[Disinfopedia]] and [[Wikipedia]] will all serve in parallel as [[GFDL text corpus]] sources, and only limited standards will be applied in them all, hopefully based on terms and [[mandatory label]]s and [[comprehensive outcome]] names (like [[deforestation]], [[slavery]], [[ape extinction]]) that are already titles of articles in [[GFDL corpus]]. Deviating from such standard terms is a disaster, as, it makes it impossible to tell which [[buying criteria]] are being violated! So, it's worth every effort to keep all four major sources in line, and to work hard to translate these terms consistently into all other languages (so far, only a concern at [[Wikipedia]])		Much more likely, [[Consumerpedia]], [[Recyclopedia]], [[Disinfopedia]] and [[Wikipedia]] will all serve in parallel as [[GFDL text corpus]] sources, and only limited standards will be applied in them all, hopefully based on terms and [[mandatory label]]s and [[comprehensive outcome]] names (like [[deforestation]], [[slavery]], [[ape extinction]]) that are already titles of articles in [[GFDL corpus]]. Deviating from such standard terms is a disaster, as, it makes it impossible to tell which [[buying criteria]] are being violated! So, it's worth every effort to keep all four major sources in line, and to work hard to translate these terms consistently into all other languages (so far, only a concern at [[Wikipedia]])

	~~=== convergence ===~~		This is a responsibility that [[User:Juxo]] and [[User:N8chz]] and [[User:Venceremos]] might choose to undertake, but which [[User:DanKeshet]] has so far actively resisted. There's danger it may become an [[enemy projects\|enemy project]], applying political norms unfit for any cooperation. It is off to a bad start by violating the GFDL just to exclude some [[trolls]].

	[[~~Consumerium~~:~~We\|We~~]] ~~all seem to agree that a close relationship is desirable. Convergence is far simpler if some basic conventions are followed very early,~~ and ~~some essential concepts have the same names everywhere:~~ [[~~buying criteria]], [[comprehensive outcome]], [[economic choice]], [[moral purchasing]], [[political consumerism]], [[fair trade~~]]~~, [[safe trade]],~~ and [[~~externalities~~]] ~~like [[deforestation]], [[extinction]], [[slavery]], etc.~~

	~~From [[Consumerpedia point of view]], different [[GFDL corpus]] might well be appropriate, and they~~ might ~~not always converge with those of [[Consumerium itself]]. But, it's easier~~ to ~~track that by making sure that [http://www.channel1.com/users/dkesh/consumerpedia/index.php/Consumerpedia:We en: Consumerpedia: "we"]~~,[~~http://www.channel1.com/users/dkesh/consumerpedia/index.php/Consumerpedia:Policy en: Consumerpedia: "Policy"] and~~
	~~[http://www.channel1.com/users/dkesh/consumerpedia/index.php/Consumerpedia:itself en: Consumerpedia: "itself"] have the usual meanings. ''An~~ [~~[interwiki link standard]] would be handy about now!''~~

	~~However, they need to get off on the right foot~~: ~~[[Gus Kouwenhoven~~]] ~~(perhaps [[CIV]] should be high on the investigation priorities list~~. ~~If after all that work you~~'~~re still buying from Gus via CIV, then, '''Consumerpedia''' will just be~~ an [[enemy ~~project~~\|enemy ~~projects~~]] ~~that distracts and distorts the reality.~~

	~~=== near-convergence ===~~

	~~[[Consumerium Service access]] that doesn't need [[worn device]]s could all happen through '''Consumerpedia''' if they converged perfectly on definitions of some concepts:~~

	~~We must at least share [[comprehensive outcome]] and [[economic choice]] and very exact descriptions of [[externalities]] is a real mistake~~. It~~'s going to take work to get everyone agreeing on all that! But without it, you have no [[consensus]] about what~~ is ~~actually worth documenting about a company, no standard terms~~ to ~~use, "what links here" becomes useless, and etc.~~

	~~=== managing ===~~

	~~They don't have~~ a ~~lot of [[wiki management]] problems yet. The above are~~ the ~~minimum required~~ to ~~achieve at least near-convergence. Other structural stuff like [[best cases]], [[worst cases]], [[user stories]], etc.,~~ [[trolls]] leave to you to manage. It's probably best to avoid that structure for now - it only starts to matter once there is a very rigorous mission, that fails easily, or, far too many people involved. '''Consumerpedia'' isn't there.

	~~Beware in particular if Angela gets involved. She~~'~~ll kill it in ten minutes if she gets sysop status, and you will never be able to use one scrap of what~~'~~s at~~ [[~~Consumerpedia~~]] ~~to create a~~ [[~~Consumerium:intermediate page]] or ever affect a [[Consumerium buying signal]]. She is absolute poison to projects that have to work from actual user [[buying criteria~~]].		''See [[Research Wiki pilot]]s for some conditions of converging with other [[public wiki]]s.''

142.177.92.223: Consumerium POV on Consumerpedia

2004-03-30T21:58:16Z

Consumerium POV on Consumerpedia

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-'''The Consumerpedia''' is a collaborative project to create a free resource to enable moral purchasing. It will provide information that consumers need to develop strategies for engaging in moral purchasing and moral living, to evaluate the morality behind their purchases, and to locate enterprises or products they need.
+'''The Consumerpedia''' is a collaborative project to create a [[GFDL corpus]] resource specifically to enable [[moral purchasing]].  It will provide information that consumers need to develop strategies for engaging in moral purchasing and moral living, to evaluate the morality behind their purchases, and to locate enterprises or products they need.
-It was initiated by [[User:DanKeshet|DanKeshet]] and it runs [[MediaWiki]] and content is under [[GFDL]] so it can be useful as a gathering place for [[Company]] and [[Boycott]] info that we don't allow here at this [[Development Wiki]] for the reason of focusing on developing a system that can cope with such information
+It was initiated by [[User:DanKeshet|DanKeshet]] and it runs [[MediaWiki]] and content is under [[GFDL]] so it can be useful as a gathering place for [[Company]] and [[Boycott]] info so that the [[Development Wiki]] can focus only on [[use case]]s that actually move us forward towards [[pilot project]]s.
 http://www.channel1.com/users/dkesh/consumerpedia/index.php/Main_Page

Jukeboksi: The Consumerpedia is a collaborative project to create a free resource to enable moral purchasing.

2004-03-30T17:35:40Z

The Consumerpedia is a collaborative project to create a free resource to enable moral purchasing.

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'''The Consumerpedia''' is a collaborative project to create a free resource to enable moral purchasing. It will provide information that consumers need to develop strategies for engaging in moral purchasing and moral living, to evaluate the morality behind their purchases, and to locate enterprises or products they need.

It was initiated by [[User:DanKeshet|DanKeshet]] and it runs [[MediaWiki]] and content is under [[GFDL]] so it can be useful as a gathering place for [[Company]] and [[Boycott]] info that we don't allow here at this [[Development Wiki]] for the reason of focusing on developing a system that can cope with such information

http://www.channel1.com/users/dkesh/consumerpedia/index.php/Main_Page