Consumerium plans as of 2013 - Revision history

Jukeboksi: adjust linking

2020-07-30T12:28:07Z

adjust linking

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	[[~~Technology~~]] especially FOSS ( Free and Open Source Software ) has a key role in making the Consumium [[goals]] possible. A lot has changed since 2002/2003, the [[means]] are here at reach to make Consumium work in the real world. [[#What kind of information Consumerium / Consumium plans to offer consumers on businesses?\|lot of the information]] described in the [[Goals and means of the Consumerium project]] is available from [[DBpedia]] [[w:ontology]] and [[w:dataset]]s ( from [[categories]] and from [[infoboxen]] ) and also from [[Wikidata]][http://wikidata.org/ (.org)] which was initiated in 2012. Consumium.org will have it's own wikidata.consumium.org and we sync from multiple sources ( both [[DBpedia]] and [[Wikidata]] )		[[Technologies]] especially FOSS ( Free and Open Source Software ) has a key role in making the Consumium [[goals]] possible. A lot has changed since 2002/2003, the [[means]] are here at reach to make Consumium work in the real world. [[#What kind of information Consumerium / Consumium plans to offer consumers on businesses?\|lot of the information]] described in the [[Goals and means of the Consumerium project]] is available from [[DBpedia]] [[w:ontology]] and [[w:dataset]]s ( from [[categories]] and from [[infoboxen]] ) and also from [[Wikidata]][http://wikidata.org/ (.org)] which was initiated in 2012. Consumium.org will have it's own wikidata.consumium.org and we sync from multiple sources ( both [[DBpedia]] and [[Wikidata]] )

	[[MediaWiki]], it's extra [[namespaces]], [[templates]], [[categories]], [[MediaWiki/extensions\|extensions]], [[MediaWiki/widgets\|widgets]] and [[MediaWiki/bots\|bots]] ( all running on Debian GNU/Linux LAMP-servers-from-cloud ) need to be finetuned to work together.		[[MediaWiki]], it's extra [[namespaces]], [[templates]], [[categories]], [[MediaWiki/extensions\|extensions]], [[MediaWiki/widgets\|widgets]] and [[MediaWiki/bots\|bots]] ( all running on Debian GNU/Linux LAMP-servers-from-cloud ) need to be finetuned to work together.

Jukeboksi: oops. typo in interwiki prefix

2013-01-17T10:19:34Z

oops. typo in interwiki prefix

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	Templates will be widely employed to add [[categories]] to articles.		Templates will be widely employed to add [[categories]] to articles.

	All languages will be served from single wiki utilizing [[m:MediaWiki Language Extension Bundle]].		All languages will be served from single wiki utilizing [[mw:MediaWiki Language Extension Bundle]].

	== Costs of infrastructure ==		== Costs of infrastructure ==

Jukeboksi: All languages will be served from single wiki utilizing m:MediaWiki Language Extension Bundle.

2013-01-17T09:54:05Z

All languages will be served from single wiki utilizing m:MediaWiki Language Extension Bundle.

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	Templates will be widely employed to add [[categories]] to articles.		Templates will be widely employed to add [[categories]] to articles.

			All languages will be served from single wiki utilizing [[m:MediaWiki Language Extension Bundle]].

	== Costs of infrastructure ==		== Costs of infrastructure ==

Jukeboksi: + Wikidata ( an effort to build a system for wiki-editable structured data storage and the structured data includability in-wiki across a wide array of wikis )

2013-01-16T11:11:28Z

+ Wikidata ( an effort to build a system for wiki-editable structured data storage and the structured data includability in-wiki across a wide array of wikis )

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	[[Technology]] especially FOSS ( Free and Open Source Software ) has a key role in making the Consumium [[goals]] possible. A lot has changed since 2002/2003, the [[means]] are here at reach to make Consumium work in the real world. [[#What kind of information Consumerium / Consumium plans to offer consumers on businesses?\|lot of the information]] described in the [[Goals and means of the Consumerium project]] is available from [[DBpedia]] [[w:ontology]] and [[w:dataset]]s ( from [[categories]] and from [[infoboxen]] ).		[[Technology]] especially FOSS ( Free and Open Source Software ) has a key role in making the Consumium [[goals]] possible. A lot has changed since 2002/2003, the [[means]] are here at reach to make Consumium work in the real world. [[#What kind of information Consumerium / Consumium plans to offer consumers on businesses?\|lot of the information]] described in the [[Goals and means of the Consumerium project]] is available from [[DBpedia]] [[w:ontology]] and [[w:dataset]]s ( from [[categories]] and from [[infoboxen]] ) and also from [[Wikidata]][http://wikidata.org/ (.org)] which was initiated in 2012. Consumium.org will have it's own wikidata.consumium.org and we sync from multiple sources ( both [[DBpedia]] and [[Wikidata]] )

	[[MediaWiki]], it's extra [[namespaces]], [[templates]], [[categories]], [[MediaWiki/extensions\|extensions]], [[MediaWiki/widgets\|widgets]] and [[MediaWiki/bots\|bots]] ( all running on Debian GNU/Linux LAMP-servers-from-cloud ) need to be finetuned to work together.		[[MediaWiki]], it's extra [[namespaces]], [[templates]], [[categories]], [[MediaWiki/extensions\|extensions]], [[MediaWiki/widgets\|widgets]] and [[MediaWiki/bots\|bots]] ( all running on Debian GNU/Linux LAMP-servers-from-cloud ) need to be finetuned to work together.

Jukeboksi: Juxo moved page Consumerium plans as of 2012 to Consumerium plans as of 2013

2013-01-12T11:34:43Z

Juxo moved page Consumerium plans as of 2012 to Consumerium plans as of 2013

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Jukeboksi: /* MediaWiki extensions */ removing old unused, no longer developed extensions

2013-01-12T11:32:25Z

MediaWiki extensions: removing old unused, no longer developed extensions

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	== MediaWiki extensions ==		== MediaWiki extensions ==
	See '''[[MediaWiki/Extensions]]''' for a newer list of potential implementation phase extensions.		See '''[[MediaWiki/Extensions]]''' for a newer list of potential implementation phase extensions.
	* <tt>[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Data Extension:Data]</tt> In this extension data is described by '''item/key/value triplets''', where 'item' is typically the name of the article, 'key' the name of the data, and 'value' the actual data. [http://www.rastko.net/~nikola/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Here is an example of Extension:Data in action] great stuff
	* <tt>[http://www.rastko.net/~nikola/wiki/index.php/Language Language extesion]</tt> - this is really excellent. it allows to have '''multi-lingual pages'''. Must learn more about this mysterious and evasive extension - it's not listed in mediawiki.org extension matrix - also changes the language of the mediawiki navigation
	* <tt>[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist Extension:SpamBlacklist]</tt> - [[regex]]es against spammers - installed and working.		* <tt>[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist Extension:SpamBlacklist]</tt> - [[regex]]es against spammers - installed and working.
	* <tt>[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit Extension:ConfirmEdit]</tt> - installed and working.		* <tt>[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit Extension:ConfirmEdit]</tt> - installed and working.

Jukeboksi: /* Consumium wiki structure */ removing bits about obsoleted plans of non-anonymized voting

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Consumium wiki structure: removing bits about obsoleted plans of non-anonymized voting

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	== Consumium wiki structure ==		== Consumium wiki structure ==
	The old plans called for having two wikis either [[Research Wiki]] and [[Publish Wiki]] ( suggested by the [[trolls]], focus on distinction of researchable stuff from publishable stuff ) or [[Content Wiki]] and [[Opinion Wiki]] ( suggested by [[User:Juxo]], effort founder, focus on isolation of factual content from subjective opinions ) but currently it looks like those plans are scrapped in favor of having only one [[Implementation Wiki]] to minimize governmental overhead.		The old plans called for having two wikis either [[Research Wiki]] and [[Publish Wiki]] ( suggested by the [[trolls]], focus on distinction of researchable stuff from publishable stuff ) or [[Content Wiki]] and [[Opinion Wiki]] ( suggested by [[User:Juxo]], effort founder, focus on isolation of factual content from subjective opinions ) but currently it looks like those plans are scrapped in favor of having only one [[Implementation Wiki]] to minimize governmental overhead.

	The '''[[voting]] pages''' of users will be copyright of the page owner i.e. '''not [[copyleft]]ed''' and not included in the dumps for forking. The voting pages of users will be NOINDEX and NOFOLLOW to stop them from getting included in search engine results. Likely the talk-namespace will be NOINDEX, NOFOLLOW so that the talk-pages of articles will be the research side of it and the actual main-namespace articles will be the publish side of it

	The upcoming [[Universal Language Selector]] conforms to the MediaWiki style of having the language code coming after the article, not before it, though our method would be navigationally perhaps better.		The upcoming [[Universal Language Selector]] conforms to the MediaWiki style of having the language code coming after the article, not before it, though our method would be navigationally perhaps better.

Jukeboksi: /* Consumium wiki structure */ the idea of using sub-articleing widely is from early 2000's and with the introduction of categories in 2004 or so enables similar functionality as would have been achieved with sub-articleing

2012-07-17T09:15:45Z

Consumium wiki structure: the idea of using sub-articleing widely is from early 2000's and with the introduction of categories in 2004 or so enables similar functionality as would have been achieved with sub-articleing

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	== Consumium wiki structure ==		== Consumium wiki structure ==
	The old plans called for having two wikis either [[Research Wiki]] and [[Publish Wiki]] ( suggested by the [[trolls]], focus on distinction of researchable stuff from publishable stuff ) or [[Content Wiki]] and [[Opinion Wiki]] ( suggested by [[User:Juxo]], effort founder, focus on isolation of factual content from subjective opinions ) but currently it looks like those plans are scrapped in favor of having only one [[Implementation Wiki]] to minimize governmental overhead. The '''[[voting]] pages''' of users will be copyright of the page owner i.e. '''not [[copyleft]]ed''' and not included in the dumps for forking. The voting pages of users will be NOINDEX and NOFOLLOW to stop them from getting included in search engine results. Likely the talk-namespace will be NOINDEX, NOFOLLOW so that the talk-pages of articles will be the research side of it and the actual main-namespace articles will be the publish side of it		The old plans called for having two wikis either [[Research Wiki]] and [[Publish Wiki]] ( suggested by the [[trolls]], focus on distinction of researchable stuff from publishable stuff ) or [[Content Wiki]] and [[Opinion Wiki]] ( suggested by [[User:Juxo]], effort founder, focus on isolation of factual content from subjective opinions ) but currently it looks like those plans are scrapped in favor of having only one [[Implementation Wiki]] to minimize governmental overhead.

	The upcoming [[~~MediaWiki/widgets#~~Universal Language Selector]] conforms to the MediaWiki style of having the language code coming after the article, not before it, though our method would be navigationally perhaps better.		The '''[[voting]] pages''' of users will be copyright of the page owner i.e. '''not [[copyleft]]ed''' and not included in the dumps for forking. The voting pages of users will be NOINDEX and NOFOLLOW to stop them from getting included in search engine results. Likely the talk-namespace will be NOINDEX, NOFOLLOW so that the talk-pages of articles will be the research side of it and the actual main-namespace articles will be the publish side of it

			The upcoming [[Universal Language Selector]] conforms to the MediaWiki style of having the language code coming after the article, not before it, though our method would be navigationally perhaps better.

	=== Primary structure ===		=== Primary structure ===
	#<tt>consumium.org/wiki/fi</tt>- Finnish langauge article ~~space~~		#<tt>consumium.org/wiki/Business X/fi</tt>- Finnish langauge article on Business X
	#<tt>consumium.org/wiki/en</tt> - English ~~language~~ article ~~space~~		#<tt>consumium.org/wiki/Business X/en</tt> - English langauge article on Business X
	#<tt>consumium.org/wiki/sv</tt> - Swedish ~~language~~ article ~~space~~		#<tt>consumium.org/wiki/Business X/sv</tt> - Swedish langauge article on Business X

	(these are all the languages that [[User:Juxo\|I]]'m fluent enough to [[sysopping\|sysop]])		(these are all the languages that [[User:Juxo\|I]]'m fluent enough to [[sysopping\|sysop]])

	~~=== Ideas about using sub-articles extensively to avoid massive disambig collision ===~~		*<tt>consumium.org/wiki/Product X</tt> - Article on Product X
	:<tt>consumium.org/wiki~~/en/Company/Brand~~/Product</tt>- ~~For big corporations<br />~~		*<tt>consumium.org/wiki/Brand X</tt> - Article on Brand X
	::<tt>consumium.org/wiki/~~en/Company/Feedback~~</tt> - ~~for storing the feedbacks sent to the company via web-form or phone~~		*<tt>consumium.org/wiki/Business X/feedback</tt> - Feedback sent to Business X
	~~::<tt>consumium.org/wiki/en/Company/~~Brand~~/Product/Reviews</tt> reviews of the product~~		*<tt>consumium.org/wiki/Product X/reviews</tt> - Reviews of Product X
	:<tt>consumium.org/wiki/~~en/Company~~/~~Product~~</tt> - ~~For smaller companies<br />~~		*<tt>consumium.org/wiki/Country/City/District/Business X</tt> (for businesses that have a few or one outlet(s))
	:<tt>consumium.org/wiki/en/~~Product~~</tt> - ~~a redirect to Company/Brand/~~Product ~~if Product name '''is not a company name'''<br />~~
	:<tt>consumium.org/wiki~~/en~~/Country/City/District/Business</tt> (for businesses that have a few or one outlet(s))~~<br />~~

	~~=== Sub-articleing vs. extensive and heavy use of categories ===~~
	Not sure if sub-articleing is a good idea. using mediawiki's [[categories]] and/or [[namespaces]] instead to provide structures. Having subarticleing will affect search engine scoring differently from using categories. The idea to use subarticleing spans from 2005 and earlier as it was easy to implement automatical linking by listing all subpages and is perhaps not valid approach anymore

	== MediaWiki extensions ==		== MediaWiki extensions ==

Jukeboksi: rearranging

2012-07-14T13:06:31Z

rearranging

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	[[Technology]] especially FOSS ( Free and Open Source Software ) has a key role in making the Consumium [[goals]] possible. A lot has changed since 2002/2003, the [[means]] are here at reach to make Consumium work in the real world. [[#What kind of information Consumerium / Consumium plans to offer consumers on businesses?\|lot of the information]] described in the [[Goals and means of the Consumerium project]] is available from [[DBpedia]] [[w:ontology]] and [[w:dataset]]s ( from [[categories]] and from [[infoboxen]] ).		[[Technology]] especially FOSS ( Free and Open Source Software ) has a key role in making the Consumium [[goals]] possible. A lot has changed since 2002/2003, the [[means]] are here at reach to make Consumium work in the real world. [[#What kind of information Consumerium / Consumium plans to offer consumers on businesses?\|lot of the information]] described in the [[Goals and means of the Consumerium project]] is available from [[DBpedia]] [[w:ontology]] and [[w:dataset]]s ( from [[categories]] and from [[infoboxen]] ).

			[[MediaWiki]], it's extra [[namespaces]], [[templates]], [[categories]], [[MediaWiki/extensions\|extensions]], [[MediaWiki/widgets\|widgets]] and [[MediaWiki/bots\|bots]] ( all running on Debian GNU/Linux LAMP-servers-from-cloud ) need to be finetuned to work together.

			Templates will be widely employed to add [[categories]] to articles.

			== Costs of infrastructure ==
	The most computer resources in the original plans were the means to serve the [[Advertisement Videos]] but today those can be embedded into wiki from youtube.com so that's taken care of and we require zero investent to enable serving videos.		The most computer resources in the original plans were the means to serve the [[Advertisement Videos]] but today those can be embedded into wiki from youtube.com so that's taken care of and we require zero investent to enable serving videos.

			== Manual work / automized work ==
	The most human resources demanding was the entering of the [[Business]] and [[Product]] data but with the emergence of [[DBpedia]] we can have extensive datas on 40,000+ businesses fully automatically and many many other entities/articles.		The most human resources demanding was the entering of the [[Business]] and [[Product]] data but with the emergence of [[DBpedia]] we can have extensive datas on 40,000+ businesses fully automatically and many many other entities/articles.

			== Issues needing resolving ==
	The [[#licensing\|licensing]] issue of whether to go with [[GFDL]] + CC-A-SA double licensing or just one of them needs to be well thought out and solved.		The [[#licensing\|licensing]] issue of whether to go with [[GFDL]] + CC-A-SA double licensing or just one of them needs to be well thought out and solved.

			== Name change ==
	In Spring 2012 the decision was made to [[#Changing the name of the effort from Consumerium to Consumium\|change the name of the effort from Consumerium to Consumium]]		In Spring 2012 the decision was made to [[#Changing the name of the effort from Consumerium to Consumium\|change the name of the effort from Consumerium to Consumium]]

			== Wiki structure ==
	[[#Consumium wiki structure\|Consumium wiki structure]] is much in a state of change at the moment, but the current design plan is to '''serve all languages from a single''' wiki much like [[Translatewiki]] is doing and to have a second wiki for file uploads ( like the commons ) and to use [[Single-signon]] with the two wikis, so that the user accounts are global.. With the coming of the [[Universal Language Selector]] we will likely adopt the form of <tt>/wiki/Article_name_in_English/fi</tt> instead of <tt>/wiki/fi/Artikkelin_nimi_suomeksi</tt>.		[[#Consumium wiki structure\|Consumium wiki structure]] is much in a state of change at the moment, but the current design plan is to '''serve all languages from a single''' wiki much like [[Translatewiki]] is doing and to have a second wiki for file uploads ( like the commons ) and to use [[Single-signon]] with the two wikis, so that the user accounts are global.. With the coming of the [[Universal Language Selector]] we will likely adopt the form of <tt>/wiki/Article_name_in_English/fi</tt> instead of <tt>/wiki/fi/Artikkelin_nimi_suomeksi</tt>.

Jukeboksi: expanding the introductory chapter

2012-07-14T10:33:13Z

expanding the introductory chapter

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	[[Technology]] especially FOSS ( Free and Open Source Software ) has a key role in making the Consumium [[goals]] possible. A lot has changed since 2002/2003, the [[means]] are here at reach to make Consumium work in the real world. [[#What kind of information Consumerium / Consumium plans to offer consumers on businesses?\|lot of the information]] described in the [[Goals and means of the Consumerium project]] is available from [[DBpedia]] [[~~lsb~~:ontology]] and ~~datasets~~ ( from [[categories]] and from [[infoboxen]] ).		[[Technology]] especially FOSS ( Free and Open Source Software ) has a key role in making the Consumium [[goals]] possible. A lot has changed since 2002/2003, the [[means]] are here at reach to make Consumium work in the real world. [[#What kind of information Consumerium / Consumium plans to offer consumers on businesses?\|lot of the information]] described in the [[Goals and means of the Consumerium project]] is available from [[DBpedia]] [[w:ontology]] and [[w:dataset]]s ( from [[categories]] and from [[infoboxen]] ).

			The most computer resources in the original plans were the means to serve the [[Advertisement Videos]] but today those can be embedded into wiki from youtube.com so that's taken care of and we require zero investent to enable serving videos.

			The most human resources demanding was the entering of the [[Business]] and [[Product]] data but with the emergence of [[DBpedia]] we can have extensive datas on 40,000+ businesses fully automatically and many many other entities/articles.

	The [[#licensing\|licensing]] issue of whether to go with [[GFDL]] + CC-A-SA double licensing or just one of them needs to be well thought out and solved.		The [[#licensing\|licensing]] issue of whether to go with [[GFDL]] + CC-A-SA double licensing or just one of them needs to be well thought out and solved.
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	In Spring 2012 the decision was made to [[#Changing the name of the effort from Consumerium to Consumium\|change the name of the effort from Consumerium to Consumium]]		In Spring 2012 the decision was made to [[#Changing the name of the effort from Consumerium to Consumium\|change the name of the effort from Consumerium to Consumium]]

	[[#Consumium wiki structure]] is much in a state of change at the moment.. With the coming of the [[Universal Language Selector]] we will likely adopt the form of <tt>/wiki/Article_name_in_English/fi</tt> instead of <tt>/wiki/fi/Artikkelin_nimi_suomeksi</tt>.		[[#Consumium wiki structure\|Consumium wiki structure]] is much in a state of change at the moment, but the current design plan is to '''serve all languages from a single''' wiki much like [[Translatewiki]] is doing and to have a second wiki for file uploads ( like the commons ) and to use [[Single-signon]] with the two wikis, so that the user accounts are global.. With the coming of the [[Universal Language Selector]] we will likely adopt the form of <tt>/wiki/Article_name_in_English/fi</tt> instead of <tt>/wiki/fi/Artikkelin_nimi_suomeksi</tt>.

	== Developers needed ==		== Developers needed ==
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	== Using Youtube to serve videos ==		== Using Youtube to serve videos ==

	[[Ads]] and [[Anti-ad]]s can be served from Youtube to [[mobile device\|mobile]] or desktop devices.		[[Ads]] and [[Anti-ad]]s can be served from Youtube to [[mobile device\|mobile]] or desktop devices using the [[MediaWiki/Widgets#Youtube\|Youtube-widget]].