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		<title>N8chz at 14:39, 22 April 2004</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is offered in the spirit of &amp;quot;compare and contrast,&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
as was AnewGoAndPubWan at WikiWorld.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Consumerium seems to focus primarily on matters of conscience,&lt;br /&gt;
whereas pubwan seeks transparency&lt;br /&gt;
for its own sake.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
normative criteria&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is offered not as a suggested Consumerium activity,&lt;br /&gt;
but is a red herring.&lt;br /&gt;
It is a well-known fact that authoritarian concepts&lt;br /&gt;
such as norms and competitive concepts like criteria&lt;br /&gt;
are decidedly off-topic for Consumerium.&lt;br /&gt;
It is hoped, nevertheless, that this feeble attempt at&lt;br /&gt;
elucidation of the concept&lt;br /&gt;
of normative criteria can provide&lt;br /&gt;
some insight on the nature of Consumerium.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The word &amp;quot;normative&amp;quot; in this context&lt;br /&gt;
should be taken as&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;normative as contrasted with positive,&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
NOT&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;normative as contrasted with abnormative.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;a href=&amp;quot;#eno&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;1&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The concept of a normative/positive&lt;br /&gt;
dichotomy is lifted from Langham&amp;#039;s&lt;br /&gt;
mercilessly preachy, mind-bendingly boring, but nevertheless&lt;br /&gt;
pregnant tome &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Price Theory&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
It&amp;#039;s uncertain from whence he lifted it, but it seems&lt;br /&gt;
to be in common use in numerous disciplines.&lt;br /&gt;
Maybe that means we can blame trolls.&lt;br /&gt;
In any event, without further adieu...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To distill my (mis?)conception of the normative/positive&lt;br /&gt;
dichotomy in as few words as I can, I would&lt;br /&gt;
venture that &amp;quot;normative&amp;quot; is to &amp;quot;positive&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
as &amp;quot;[[w:de jure]]&amp;quot; is to &amp;quot;[[w:de facto]].&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
As I recall, Langham in his characteristically pugnacious&lt;br /&gt;
style compared &amp;quot;normative&amp;quot; to something&lt;br /&gt;
along the lines of &amp;quot;wishful thinking&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
and &amp;quot;positive&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;empirical.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
The present author, of course, wishes to remain Agnostic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The apparent cultural tendencies of Consumerium,&lt;br /&gt;
like those of the present author, seem to indicate&lt;br /&gt;
an admiration for many ideas some would&lt;br /&gt;
regard as normative.&lt;br /&gt;
If normative is (?) to subjective as&lt;br /&gt;
positive is to objective, this might&lt;br /&gt;
explain the tolerance, or even encouragement,&lt;br /&gt;
of factionalization.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The idea that selection (or design) criteria&lt;br /&gt;
can be normative may have applications to [[EFA]].&lt;br /&gt;
The MOO (multi-objective optimization) method&lt;br /&gt;
roughly fleshed out in the EFA piece&lt;br /&gt;
seeks to &amp;quot;rank order preferences&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
in two dimensions which we might&lt;br /&gt;
call &amp;quot;signum&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;more is better&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;less is better&amp;quot;) and&lt;br /&gt;
(high vs. low) &amp;quot;priority.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
In the Consumerium EFA piece, we denote&lt;br /&gt;
degrees of signum as &amp;quot;min&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;max,&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
and degrees of priority as &amp;quot;hi&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;lo.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:N8chz|I]] have dubbed this (WLOG?) the &amp;quot;maxhi schema.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Maxhi&amp;quot; corresponds roughly&lt;br /&gt;
to the [[w:Newspeak]] expression&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;doubleplus good.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The idea that norms are subjective would seem to&lt;br /&gt;
imply that different people assign both&lt;br /&gt;
different signa and different priorities to&lt;br /&gt;
different selection objectives.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It is the present author&amp;#039;s guess that&lt;br /&gt;
disagreement over priorities would&lt;br /&gt;
be found to be more common than disagreement&lt;br /&gt;
over signa, were a population of people&lt;br /&gt;
to encode their personal normative preferences&lt;br /&gt;
using the maxhi schema.&lt;br /&gt;
Correspondingly, one might expect&lt;br /&gt;
controversies over signal (adjective form of signum?) issues&lt;br /&gt;
to be more along &amp;quot;factional&amp;quot; lines.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:N8chz|I]] propose considering&lt;br /&gt;
a &amp;quot;user template&amp;quot; for coding normspecs&lt;br /&gt;
(normative specifications).&lt;br /&gt;
This template should have certain qualities...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* A blank one would be simply a list of variables.&lt;br /&gt;
Hopefully variables with ordered domains&lt;br /&gt;
are not too classicalist a concept to be palatable to egalitarian-ish factions.&lt;br /&gt;
In the spirit of MOO, variables in this context can&lt;br /&gt;
also be called &amp;quot;objectives.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* The master template should encode all&lt;br /&gt;
equations describing relations between&lt;br /&gt;
variables.  Since Consumerium implements&lt;br /&gt;
Media Wiki, which in turn (at least in Wikipedia)&lt;br /&gt;
implements a TeX-like representation of&lt;br /&gt;
mathematical notation, this could be(?)&lt;br /&gt;
implemented in the short run, no?&lt;br /&gt;
Can we assume mathematics is palatable to Consumerium?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* It should be possible to submit large amounts&lt;br /&gt;
of subjective (personal) normative information&lt;br /&gt;
into the public domain in a way that does not&lt;br /&gt;
compromise people&amp;#039;s legitimate demands for&lt;br /&gt;
privacy.  Database &amp;quot;views&amp;quot; may facilitate&lt;br /&gt;
this process, but a more vigilant form of&lt;br /&gt;
data security may be needed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* The database schema should facilitate&lt;br /&gt;
detection of certain patterns in normative&lt;br /&gt;
data points, especially areas of consensus.&lt;br /&gt;
For example, a broad consensus on a &amp;quot;min&amp;quot; value for a signal&lt;br /&gt;
dimension of several objectives might lead to&lt;br /&gt;
a tentative list of &amp;quot;social bads.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* In the event that a modicum of (expletive deleted) classicalism&lt;br /&gt;
is palatable, areas of non-consensus&lt;br /&gt;
may have potential for what economists call&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;[[w:gains from trade]].&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
An interesting question is whether there is&lt;br /&gt;
a non-cynical way of &amp;quot;exploiting&amp;quot; such&lt;br /&gt;
discoveries.&lt;br /&gt;
Another is whether non-analytical methods&lt;br /&gt;
already in use by &amp;quot;everyone&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
(i.e. the amoral but superintelligent Invisible Hand)&lt;br /&gt;
represent a &amp;quot;[[w:Pierre Marie Arouet de Voltaire|best of all possible worlds]]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
solution to the aggregate MOO, in which&lt;br /&gt;
case Consumerium and pubwan alike are&lt;br /&gt;
mere exercises in intellectual masturbation.&lt;br /&gt;
Is it true that Consumerium is based on a&lt;br /&gt;
hypothesis that such solutions, while&lt;br /&gt;
optimal, may be &amp;quot;unhealthy?&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* A primitive [[taxonomy of factions]] may be&lt;br /&gt;
derivable through distance vectors or&lt;br /&gt;
some other quick and dirty (and SQL-friendly?) method.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Hopefully such normspecs can be&lt;br /&gt;
used to define selection criteria&lt;br /&gt;
for EFA-based database queries from&lt;br /&gt;
databases that are both empirically&lt;br /&gt;
researched and incomplete-information-aware.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;a label=&amp;quot;eno&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font size=&amp;quot;-1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;1&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;Actually the present author delights in the abnormative.&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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