Consumerium Research pilot - Revision history

Jukeboksi: rm suing for funding correct typo

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	A '''Consumerium Research pilot''' would build an actual [[Research Wiki]] [[prototype]] with real [[intermediate page]]s describing real companies and their mis/behaviour. It would focus deliberately only on the worst behaviour by the most ~~litigous~~ companies, as a test of policies. If the '''pilot''' were to pass the scrutiny of lawyers for [[McDonald's]] and [[Monsanto]] and [[Disney]] (well known as the world's meanest!) and so on, it would be fairly likely that lawyers of other firms would have to lave us alone.		A '''Consumerium Research pilot''' would build an actual [[Research Wiki]] [[prototype]] with real [[intermediate page]]s describing real companies and their mis/behaviour. It would focus deliberately only on the worst behaviour by the most litigious companies, as a test of policies. If the '''pilot''' were to pass the scrutiny of lawyers for [[McDonald's]] and [[Monsanto]] and [[Disney]] (well known as the world's meanest!) and so on, it would be fairly likely that lawyers of other firms would have to lave us alone.

	Such a focused '''pilot''' that deliberately sought to gain both publicity and a meaningful test of how tough and sue-proof we can make our policies, would stress organizational issues central to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]]. We would identify the potential for being sued for [[diluting the trademark]], [[libel chill]], other more fatuous basis for [[lawsuit]]s and other potential problems. At the very least we'd learn to process a [[cease and desist letter]] and send a polite response threatening total [[troll war]] against companies that lie about [[Consumerium]]~~, followed by [[suing for funding]].~~		Such a focused '''pilot''' that deliberately sought to gain both publicity and a meaningful test of how tough and sue-proof we can make our policies, would stress organizational issues central to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]]. We would identify the potential for being sued for [[diluting the trademark]], [[libel chill]], other more fatuous basis for [[lawsuit]]s and other potential problems. At the very least we'd learn to process a [[cease and desist letter]] and send a polite response threatening total [[troll war]] against companies that lie about [[Consumerium]]

	In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates. In September 2004, [[Alleged and collective identity\|supposed advocates]] of the [[Sysop Vandal point of view]] seem to be republishing writings from that POV, e.g. the [[Craig Hubley]] article. In some cases they have also indicated an ~~interested~~ in learning about [[trolling]] and declared it "fun". This is all possibly a positive sign that at least some alleged [[sysop vandal]]s (their [[alleged and collective identity\|true self-identification]] remains unknown) can turn their hate towards companies or people that really deserve it, e.g. [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] rather than some [[trollherd]].		In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates. In September 2004, [[Alleged and collective identity\|supposed advocates]] of the [[Sysop Vandal point of view]] seem to be republishing writings from that POV, e.g. the [[Craig Hubley]] article. In some cases they have also indicated an interest in learning about [[trolling]] and declared it "fun". This is all possibly a positive sign that at least some alleged [[sysop vandal]]s (their [[alleged and collective identity\|true self-identification]] remains unknown) can turn their hate towards companies or people that really deserve it, e.g. [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] rather than some [[trollherd]].

	To test the extent of these conflicts and the [[tit for tat]] tactics they engender, we need an actual [[Research Wiki]] up and running; One with real [[intermediate page]]s that [[Consumerium:We\|we]] can fight about. Elements of this '''pilot''' include:		To test the extent of these conflicts and the [[tit for tat]] tactics they engender, we need an actual [[Research Wiki]] up and running; One with real [[intermediate page]]s that [[Consumerium:We\|we]] can fight about. Elements of this '''pilot''' include:
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	*identification of [[worst practices]] and the garbage that imports them to a [[large public wiki]], fair ways to ensure these people are [[driven off by trolls]] before they can engage in [[vandalism]] of subtle or sysop character - see [[talk:sysop vandalism]] for a list of known advocates and engagers in this		*identification of [[worst practices]] and the garbage that imports them to a [[large public wiki]], fair ways to ensure these people are [[driven off by trolls]] before they can engage in [[vandalism]] of subtle or sysop character - see [[talk:sysop vandalism]] for a list of known advocates and engagers in this

	~~[[funding]] and~~ [[diligence]]:		[[diligence]]:

	*writing [[cease and desist]] letters to those who defame [[Consumerium:Itself]] ~~as a prelude to:~~		*writing [[cease and desist]] letters to those who defame [[Consumerium:Itself]]
	*beginning a [[self-funding]] process of suing those who lie about Consumerium, to fund [[Consumerium Services]] - starting with [[Wikimedia]] or [[Bomis]] though they are not ideal targets for [[suing for funding]] in the longer run.

	One output of such a pilot would be a decision whether to [[end Wikimedia]] or work to an [[negotiated settlement between trolls and Wikimedia]] regarding who controls the [[GFDL corpus]] and to what standards [[GFDL]] content will be held. For instance a fixed fee might be charged for every lie about Consumerium or its contributors that is published via [[Wikimedia]] forums. In return, [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] would agree not to sue for more damages.		One output of such a pilot would be a decision whether to [[end Wikimedia]] or work to an [[negotiated settlement between trolls and Wikimedia]] regarding who controls the [[GFDL corpus]] and to what standards [[GFDL]] content will be held. For instance a fixed fee might be charged for every lie about Consumerium or its contributors that is published via [[Wikimedia]] forums. In return, [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] would agree not to sue for more damages.

66.235.184.105 at 02:35, 8 September 2004

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	Such a focused '''pilot''' that deliberately sought to gain both publicity and a meaningful test of how tough and sue-proof we can make our policies, would stress organizational issues central to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]]. We would identify the potential for being sued for [[diluting the trademark]], [[libel chill]], other more fatuous basis for [[lawsuit]]s and other potential problems. At the very least we'd learn to process a [[cease and desist letter]] and send a polite response threatening total [[troll war]] against companies that lie about [[Consumerium]], followed by [[suing for funding]].		Such a focused '''pilot''' that deliberately sought to gain both publicity and a meaningful test of how tough and sue-proof we can make our policies, would stress organizational issues central to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]]. We would identify the potential for being sued for [[diluting the trademark]], [[libel chill]], other more fatuous basis for [[lawsuit]]s and other potential problems. At the very least we'd learn to process a [[cease and desist letter]] and send a polite response threatening total [[troll war]] against companies that lie about [[Consumerium]], followed by [[suing for funding]].

	In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates. In September 2004, ~~such~~ advocates of the [[Sysop Vandal point of view]] seem to be republishing ~~nonsense~~ from that POV, e.g. the [[Craig Hubley]] article. In some cases they have also indicated an interested in learning about [[trolling]] and declared it "fun". This is all possibly a positive sign that at least some [[sysop vandal]]s can turn their hate towards companies or people that really deserve it, e.g. [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] rather than some [[trollherd]].		In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates. In September 2004, [[Alleged and collective identity\|supposed advocates]] of the [[Sysop Vandal point of view]] seem to be republishing writings from that POV, e.g. the [[Craig Hubley]] article. In some cases they have also indicated an interested in learning about [[trolling]] and declared it "fun". This is all possibly a positive sign that at least some alleged [[sysop vandal]]s (their [[alleged and collective identity\|true self-identification]] remains unknown) can turn their hate towards companies or people that really deserve it, e.g. [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] rather than some [[trollherd]].

	To test the extent of these conflicts and the [[tit for tat]] tactics they engender, we need an actual [[Research Wiki]] up and running; One with real [[intermediate page]]s that [[Consumerium:We\|we]] can fight about. Elements of this '''pilot''' include:		To test the extent of these conflicts and the [[tit for tat]] tactics they engender, we need an actual [[Research Wiki]] up and running; One with real [[intermediate page]]s that [[Consumerium:We\|we]] can fight about. Elements of this '''pilot''' include:

142.177.109.56: aren't actual destroyers of ecosystems, species, peoples, better targets than a trollherd, reputed or real? priorities, please

2004-09-08T02:12:05Z

aren't actual destroyers of ecosystems, species, peoples, better targets than a trollherd, reputed or real? priorities, please

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	Such a focused '''pilot''' that deliberately sought to gain both publicity and a meaningful test of how tough and sue-proof we can make our policies, would stress organizational issues central to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]]. We would identify the potential for being sued for [[diluting the trademark]], [[libel chill]], other more fatuous basis for [[lawsuit]]s and other potential problems. At the very least we'd learn to process a [[cease and desist letter]] and send a polite response threatening total [[troll war]] against companies that lie about [[Consumerium]], followed by [[suing for funding]].		Such a focused '''pilot''' that deliberately sought to gain both publicity and a meaningful test of how tough and sue-proof we can make our policies, would stress organizational issues central to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]]. We would identify the potential for being sued for [[diluting the trademark]], [[libel chill]], other more fatuous basis for [[lawsuit]]s and other potential problems. At the very least we'd learn to process a [[cease and desist letter]] and send a polite response threatening total [[troll war]] against companies that lie about [[Consumerium]], followed by [[suing for funding]].

	In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates. In September 2004, such advocates of the [[Sysop Vandal point of view]] seem to be republishing nonsense from that POV, e.g. the [[Craig Hubley]] article. In some cases they have also indicated an interested in learning about [[trolling]] and declared it "fun". This is all possibly a positive sign that at least some [[sysop vandal]]s can turn their hate towards companies or people that really deserve it, e.g. [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] rather than [[~~Craig Hubley~~]].		In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates. In September 2004, such advocates of the [[Sysop Vandal point of view]] seem to be republishing nonsense from that POV, e.g. the [[Craig Hubley]] article. In some cases they have also indicated an interested in learning about [[trolling]] and declared it "fun". This is all possibly a positive sign that at least some [[sysop vandal]]s can turn their hate towards companies or people that really deserve it, e.g. [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] rather than some [[trollherd]].

	To test the extent of these conflicts and the [[tit for tat]] tactics they engender, we need an actual [[Research Wiki]] up and running; One with real [[intermediate page]]s that [[Consumerium:We\|we]] can fight about. Elements of this '''pilot''' include:		To test the extent of these conflicts and the [[tit for tat]] tactics they engender, we need an actual [[Research Wiki]] up and running; One with real [[intermediate page]]s that [[Consumerium:We\|we]] can fight about. Elements of this '''pilot''' include:

142.177.109.56: some insights into this pilot arising from recent trolling by those apparently advancing Sysop Vandal point of view, e.g. of trollherds they blame for telling truth on Wikipedia and so on

2004-09-08T02:01:23Z

some insights into this pilot arising from recent trolling by those apparently advancing Sysop Vandal point of view, e.g. of trollherds they blame for telling truth on Wikipedia and so on

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	A '''Consumerium Research pilot''' would build an actual [[Research Wiki]] [[prototype]] with real [[intermediate page]]s describing real companies and their mis/behaviour. It would focus deliberately only on the worst behaviour:		A '''Consumerium Research pilot''' would build an actual [[Research Wiki]] [[prototype]] with real [[intermediate page]]s describing real companies and their mis/behaviour. It would focus deliberately only on the worst behaviour by the most litigous companies, as a test of policies. If the '''pilot''' were to pass the scrutiny of lawyers for [[McDonald's]] and [[Monsanto]] and [[Disney]] (well known as the world's meanest!) and so on, it would be fairly likely that lawyers of other firms would have to lave us alone.

	It would stress organizational issues central to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] ~~and~~ potential for [[diluting the trademark]], [[libel chill]], other [[lawsuit]]s and other potential problems.		Such a focused '''pilot''' that deliberately sought to gain both publicity and a meaningful test of how tough and sue-proof we can make our policies, would stress organizational issues central to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]]. We would identify the potential for being sued for [[diluting the trademark]], [[libel chill]], other more fatuous basis for [[lawsuit]]s and other potential problems. At the very least we'd learn to process a [[cease and desist letter]] and send a polite response threatening total [[troll war]] against companies that lie about [[Consumerium]], followed by [[suing for funding]].

	In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates.		In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates. In September 2004, such advocates of the [[Sysop Vandal point of view]] seem to be republishing nonsense from that POV, e.g. the [[Craig Hubley]] article. In some cases they have also indicated an interested in learning about [[trolling]] and declared it "fun". This is all possibly a positive sign that at least some [[sysop vandal]]s can turn their hate towards companies or people that really deserve it, e.g. [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] rather than [[Craig Hubley]].

	To test the extent of these conflicts and the [[tit for tat]] tactics they engender, we need an actual [[Research Wiki]] up and running; One with real [[intermediate page]]s that [[Consumerium:We\|we]] can fight about. Elements of this '''pilot''' include:		To test the extent of these conflicts and the [[tit for tat]] tactics they engender, we need an actual [[Research Wiki]] up and running; One with real [[intermediate page]]s that [[Consumerium:We\|we]] can fight about. Elements of this '''pilot''' include:

142.177.41.102 at 22:47, 7 September 2004

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	*writing [[cease and desist]] letters to those who defame [[Consumerium:Itself]] as a prelude to:		*writing [[cease and desist]] letters to those who defame [[Consumerium:Itself]] as a prelude to:
	*beginning a [[self-funding]] process of suing those who lie about Consumerium, to fund [[Consumerium Services]] - starting with [[Wikimedia]] ~~potentially~~		*beginning a [[self-funding]] process of suing those who lie about Consumerium, to fund [[Consumerium Services]] - starting with [[Wikimedia]] or [[Bomis]] though they are not ideal targets for [[suing for funding]] in the longer run.

	One output of such a pilot would be a decision whether to [[end Wikimedia]] or work to an [[negotiated settlement between trolls and Wikimedia]] regarding who controls the [[GFDL corpus]] and to what standards [[GFDL]] content will be held. For instance a fixed fee might be charged for every lie about Consumerium or its contributors that is published via [[Wikimedia]] forums. In return, [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] would agree not to sue for more damages.		One output of such a pilot would be a decision whether to [[end Wikimedia]] or work to an [[negotiated settlement between trolls and Wikimedia]] regarding who controls the [[GFDL corpus]] and to what standards [[GFDL]] content will be held. For instance a fixed fee might be charged for every lie about Consumerium or its contributors that is published via [[Wikimedia]] forums. In return, [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] would agree not to sue for more damages.

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	To test the extent of these conflicts and the [[tit for tat]] tactics they engender, we need an actual [[Research Wiki]] up and running; One with real [[intermediate page]]s that [[Consumerium:We\|we]] can fight about. Elements of this '''pilot''' include:		To test the extent of these conflicts and the [[tit for tat]] tactics they engender, we need an actual [[Research Wiki]] up and running; One with real [[intermediate page]]s that [[Consumerium:We\|we]] can fight about. Elements of this '''pilot''' include:

			[[group editing]]:

	*[[troll-friendly]] policies evolving under much [[faction]]al/legal pressure		*[[troll-friendly]] policies evolving under much [[faction]]al/legal pressure
	*identification of [[worst practices]] and the garbage that imports them to a [[large public wiki]], fair ways to ensure these people are [[driven off by trolls]] before they can engage in [[vandalism]] of subtle or sysop character		*identification of [[worst practices]] and the garbage that imports them to a [[large public wiki]], fair ways to ensure these people are [[driven off by trolls]] before they can engage in [[vandalism]] of subtle or sysop character - see [[talk:sysop vandalism]] for a list of known advocates and engagers in this
	*writing [[cease and desist]] letters to those who defame [[Consumerium:Itself]]
			[[funding]] and [[diligence]]:

			*writing [[cease and desist]] letters to those who defame [[Consumerium:Itself]] as a prelude to:
	*beginning a [[self-funding]] process of suing those who lie about Consumerium, to fund [[Consumerium Services]] - starting with [[Wikimedia]] potentially		*beginning a [[self-funding]] process of suing those who lie about Consumerium, to fund [[Consumerium Services]] - starting with [[Wikimedia]] potentially

	One output of such a pilot would be a decision whether to [[end Wikimedia]] or work to an [[negotiated settlement between trolls and Wikimedia]] regarding who controls the [[GFDL corpus]] and to what standards [[GFDL]] content will be held.		One output of such a pilot would be a decision whether to [[end Wikimedia]] or work to an [[negotiated settlement between trolls and Wikimedia]] regarding who controls the [[GFDL corpus]] and to what standards [[GFDL]] content will be held. For instance a fixed fee might be charged for every lie about Consumerium or its contributors that is published via [[Wikimedia]] forums. In return, [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] would agree not to sue for more damages.

142.177.41.102 at 22:14, 7 September 2004

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	In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates.		In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates.

	To test the extent of these conflicts and the [[tit for tat]] tactics they engender, we need an actual [[Research Wiki]] up and running; One with real [[intermediate page]]s that [[Consumerium:We\|we]] can fight about.		To test the extent of these conflicts and the [[tit for tat]] tactics they engender, we need an actual [[Research Wiki]] up and running; One with real [[intermediate page]]s that [[Consumerium:We\|we]] can fight about. Elements of this '''pilot''' include:

			*[[troll-friendly]] policies evolving under much [[faction]]al/legal pressure
			*identification of [[worst practices]] and the garbage that imports them to a [[large public wiki]], fair ways to ensure these people are [[driven off by trolls]] before they can engage in [[vandalism]] of subtle or sysop character
			*writing [[cease and desist]] letters to those who defame [[Consumerium:Itself]]
			*beginning a [[self-funding]] process of suing those who lie about Consumerium, to fund [[Consumerium Services]] - starting with [[Wikimedia]] potentially

	One output of such a pilot would be a decision whether to [[end Wikimedia]] or work to an [[negotiated settlement between trolls and Wikimedia]] regarding who controls the [[GFDL corpus]] and to what standards [[GFDL]] content will be held.		One output of such a pilot would be a decision whether to [[end Wikimedia]] or work to an [[negotiated settlement between trolls and Wikimedia]] regarding who controls the [[GFDL corpus]] and to what standards [[GFDL]] content will be held.

142.177.41.102 at 22:10, 7 September 2004

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	A '''Consumerium Research pilot''' would stress organizational issues central to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] and potential for [[diluting the trademark]], [[libel chill]], other [[lawsuit]]s and other potential problems.		A '''Consumerium Research pilot''' would build an actual [[Research Wiki]] [[prototype]] with real [[intermediate page]]s describing real companies and their mis/behaviour. It would focus deliberately only on the worst behaviour:

			It would stress organizational issues central to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] and potential for [[diluting the trademark]], [[libel chill]], other [[lawsuit]]s and other potential problems.

	In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates.		In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates.

142.177.41.102 at 21:56, 7 September 2004

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	A '''Consumerium Research pilot''' would stress organizational issues central to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] and potential for [[~~dilution of~~ trademark]], [[libel chill]], other [[lawsuit]]s and other potential problems.		A '''Consumerium Research pilot''' would stress organizational issues central to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] and potential for [[diluting the trademark]], [[libel chill]], other [[lawsuit]]s and other potential problems.

	In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates.		In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates.

142.177.41.102 at 21:54, 7 September 2004

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	A '''Consumerium Research pilot'''		A '''Consumerium Research pilot''' would stress organizational issues central to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] and potential for [[dilution of trademark]], [[libel chill]], other [[lawsuit]]s and other potential problems.

	In a [[pilot]] ~~project~~, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users,		In such [[pilot]] projects, often the users are chosen specifically to be difficult to support, if the anticipated issue of deployment is the variety of users, i.e. [[trolls]] especially [[funded troll]]s, in [[Research Wiki]] and in [[Consumerium Governance Organization]], and [[sysop vandalism]] advocates.

	~~:i.e.~~ [[~~trolls~~]] ~~especially~~ [[~~funded troll~~]]~~s, in~~ [[~~Research Wiki~~]] ~~and in~~ [[Consumerium ~~Governance Organization~~]]		To test the extent of these conflicts and the [[tit for tat]] tactics they engender, we need an actual [[Research Wiki]] up and running; One with real [[intermediate page]]s that [[Consumerium:We\|we]] can fight about.

	~~::Perhaps for this we need~~ an ~~actual~~ [[~~Research Wiki~~]] up and ~~running? One with real~~ [[~~intermediate page~~]]~~s that we can fight about?~~		One output of such a pilot would be a decision whether to [[end Wikimedia]] or work to an [[negotiated settlement between trolls and Wikimedia]] regarding who controls the [[GFDL corpus]] and to what standards [[GFDL]] content will be held.