Consumerium Process - Revision history

142.177.106.10: making clear how the process works, incorporating stuff from talk (but not all of it, also Talk:Development Wiki lays out some process assumptions

2004-03-21T22:02:07Z

making clear how the process works, incorporating stuff from talk (but not all of it, also Talk:Development Wiki lays out some process assumptions

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	'''Consumerium Process''' is about how information flows [[Noise Wiki\|from Noise Wiki]] [[Signal Wiki\|to Signal Wiki]], how it is arranged, perhaps into [[Consumerium:Intermediate page\|Intermediate page]]s to provide for automatic aggregation into the [[Consumerium buying signal]] and information aggregartion and [[collate\|collation]] according to each [[consumer]]'s [[preferences]]		'''Consumerium Process''' is about how information flows [[Noise Wiki\|from Noise Wiki]] [[Signal Wiki\|to Signal Wiki]], how it is arranged, perhaps into [[Consumerium:Intermediate page\|Intermediate page]]s to provide for automatic aggregation into the [[Consumerium buying signal]] and information aggregartion and [[collate\|collation]] according to each [[consumer]]'s [[preferences]]

	*The [[Noise Wiki]] (aka [[Research Wiki]]) is [[troll friendly]] ~~and~~ mostly managed by [[faction]], ~~especially for cases of~~ [[~~identity dispute~~]]		*The [[Noise Wiki]] (aka [[Research Wiki]]) is
			::[[troll friendly]] especially for cases of [[identity dispute]]
			::mostly managed by [[faction]], and concerned to get all views out and be fair
			::trying to avoid a [[permission-based model]] and work on [[fast revert]] only
			::there might be some limits on [[visible edit]]s for new users and etc., but in general these will be removed as more and more users begin to participate
	*The [[Signal Wiki]] (aka [[Publish Wiki]]) is literally published material that the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] has accepted. The differences are:		*The [[Signal Wiki]] (aka [[Publish Wiki]]) is literally published material that the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] has accepted. The differences are:
	::only logged in users of [[repute]] are allowed to edit (whitelist) and their edits are very restricted - typically only pass/fail or removal of assertions or unverifiable facts; this should be considered a "final edit for publishing" and using this access to totally rewrite things is simply a [[breach of faith]]		::only logged in users of [[repute]] are allowed to edit (whitelist) and their edits are always instantly visible but very restricted - typically only pass/fail or removal of assertions or unverifiable facts; this should be considered a "final edit for publishing" and using this access to totally rewrite things is simply a [[breach of faith]]
	:: further restriction based measures will be adopted to provide for stability, such as [[bonded user]]s, [[verified user]]s (real identity known and checked) vs. normal users (may be normal pseudonyms, real but unverified names, and some		:: further restriction based measures will be adopted to provide for stability, such as [[bonded user]]s, [[verified user]]s (real identity known and checked) vs. normal users (may be normal pseudonyms, real but unverified names, and some shared pseudonyms for [[troll]] [[faction]]s); Some [[rules]] and [[interwiki identity standard]] will apply at least informally to rule out deliberately confusing name choices
	shared pseudonyms for [[troll]] [[faction]]s)
	::[[collective identity\|collective identities]] of organizations or groups could also be bonded or verified in some cases, these might look to others as an individual user but will have a name that makes it obvious that there is some [[factionally defined]] system of agreeing on [[edits, votes and bets]] they make		::[[collective identity\|collective identities]] of organizations or groups could also be bonded or verified in some cases, these might look to others as an individual user but will have a name that makes it obvious that there is some [[factionally defined]] system of agreeing on [[edits, votes and bets]] they make

	There's a necessity to innovate and to make it easy for groups to raise their objections without necessarily tying them to any single identity although the single name makes it easy to avoid [[identity dispute]]s. This will matter in [[legal]] situations especially.		There's a necessity to innovate and to make it easy for groups to raise their objections without necessarily tying them to any single identity although the single name makes it easy to avoid [[identity dispute]]s. This will matter in [[legal]] situations especially.

	~~<small>~~See also [[Talk:Consumerium Process\|the discussion page]] for previous discussion on '''Consumerium ~~process~~'''~~</small>~~		''See also [[Talk:Consumerium Process\|the discussion page]] for previous discussion on '''Consumerium Process''' and an attempt to predict its flow''

			Our assumption is that many [[worst cases]] can be avoided by the above structure:

			1. Anonymous [[trolls]] dump unreliable crap data ("noise") into the [[Research Wiki]] claiming it has excellent credentials and is true beyond reasonable doubt. Actual "researchers" investigate these claims to the best of their ability, trying to be polite, and refine this "noise" into [[Consumerium:intermediate page]]s that they sign and [[edits, votes and bets\|somehow stake something on so we know they believe it]]. The noise and quality must co-exist in the same wiki, this is where it gets sorted out.

			1a. [[Campaign]]s can be debated or disputed in this same wiki but are not edited there. A separate [[Opinion Wiki]] function is essential to the generating the [[Consumerium buying signal]]. Things that campaigns claim are true should be fact-checked, like any other research. So there's an argument to require them to encounter "the other side", i.e. opposing [[faction]]s, fairly early. Though, for a campaign to be effective, it would have to be able to propagate its own idea of its message into the [[Signal Wiki]], so, probably, it has a presence in both of these. One can think of it as somewhat higher integrity [[advertising]], perhaps. Besides, the [[Campaign]] is just another [[bonded user]] entity that can sign a page, so:

			2. Signed pages are assumed correct by default. But because this information is not factually reliable, and there might be serious implications of releasing it, it goes through a final stage at the [[Signal Wiki]] where the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] makes its standard disclaimers and if necessary edits out stuff that it can't release, perhaps per country. We don't say that ''anything'' is necessarily a "fact", for legal reasons. What is guaranteed is only that the '''Consumerium Process''' itself has been followed.

			2a. The difference between [[Campaign]] and not, might be, a campaign signal must be passed or failed as a whole, and cannot be edited. While one can edit a non-campaign signal to remove controversial statements, this is a big bet with respect to a campaign that might exist simply to make such statements.

			2b. [[Advertising]] for [[green light]] products would work on the same grounds, and we might be able to charge for those to make the whole [[healthy signal infrastructure]] [[self-funding]]. Just one of many ideas to make us less dependent on [[volunteer labour]], which always comes with biases.

			3. Every problem ends up back at this [[Development Wiki]] where more [[trolls]] gnaw on it. ''See also [[Talk:Development Wiki]] for more on this.''

142.177.106.10: a little on collective identity and such

2004-03-21T21:51:53Z

a little on collective identity and such

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	'''Consumerium Process''' is about how information flows [[Noise Wiki\|from Noise Wiki]] [[Signal Wiki\|to Signal Wiki]], how it is arranged, perhaps into [[Consumerium:Intermediate page\|Intermediate page]]s to provide for automatic aggregation into the [[Consumerium buying signal]] and information aggregartion and [[collate\|collation]] according to each [[consumer]]'s [[preferences]]		'''Consumerium Process''' is about how information flows [[Noise Wiki\|from Noise Wiki]] [[Signal Wiki\|to Signal Wiki]], how it is arranged, perhaps into [[Consumerium:Intermediate page\|Intermediate page]]s to provide for automatic aggregation into the [[Consumerium buying signal]] and information aggregartion and [[collate\|collation]] according to each [[consumer]]'s [[preferences]]

	*In [[Noise Wiki]] [[troll friendly~~\|trolling is allowed~~]]		*The [[Noise Wiki]] (aka [[Research Wiki]]) is [[troll friendly]] and mostly managed by [[faction]], especially for cases of [[identity dispute]]
	*In [[Signal Wiki]] only logged in users are allowed to edit (whitelist) and further restriction based measures ~~are~~ adopted to provide for stability, such as ~~Verified Users~~ (real identity known and checked) vs. normal ~~Users~~ (may be normal pseudonyms, real but unverified names, shared pseudonyms for [[troll]] [[faction]]s)		*The [[Signal Wiki]] (aka [[Publish Wiki]]) is literally published material that the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] has accepted. The differences are:
			::only logged in users of [[repute]] are allowed to edit (whitelist) and their edits are very restricted - typically only pass/fail or removal of assertions or unverifiable facts; this should be considered a "final edit for publishing" and using this access to totally rewrite things is simply a [[breach of faith]]
			:: further restriction based measures will be adopted to provide for stability, such as [[bonded user]]s, [[verified user]]s (real identity known and checked) vs. normal users (may be normal pseudonyms, real but unverified names, and some
			shared pseudonyms for [[troll]] [[faction]]s)
			::[[collective identity\|collective identities]] of organizations or groups could also be bonded or verified in some cases, these might look to others as an individual user but will have a name that makes it obvious that there is some [[factionally defined]] system of agreeing on [[edits, votes and bets]] they make

			There's a necessity to innovate and to make it easy for groups to raise their objections without necessarily tying them to any single identity although the single name makes it easy to avoid [[identity dispute]]s. This will matter in [[legal]] situations especially.

	<small>See also [[Talk:Consumerium Process\|the discussion page]] for previous discussion on '''Consumerium process'''</small>		<small>See also [[Talk:Consumerium Process\|the discussion page]] for previous discussion on '''Consumerium process'''</small>

Jukeboksi: basic distinction between Noise/Signal wiki

2004-03-21T14:20:34Z

basic distinction between Noise/Signal wiki

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	'''Consumerium Process''' is about how information flows [[Noise Wiki\|from Noise Wiki]] [[Signal Wiki\|to Signal Wiki]], how it is arranged, perhaps into [[Consumerium:Intermediate page\|Intermediate page]]s to provide for automatic aggregation into the [[Consumerium buying signal]] and information aggregartion and [[collate\|collation]] according to each [[consumer]]'s [[preferences]]		'''Consumerium Process''' is about how information flows [[Noise Wiki\|from Noise Wiki]] [[Signal Wiki\|to Signal Wiki]], how it is arranged, perhaps into [[Consumerium:Intermediate page\|Intermediate page]]s to provide for automatic aggregation into the [[Consumerium buying signal]] and information aggregartion and [[collate\|collation]] according to each [[consumer]]'s [[preferences]]

			*In [[Noise Wiki]] [[troll friendly\|trolling is allowed]]
			*In [[Signal Wiki]] only logged in users are allowed to edit (whitelist) and further restriction based measures are adopted to provide for stability, such as Verified Users (real identity known and checked) vs. normal Users (may be normal pseudonyms, real but unverified names, shared pseudonyms for [[troll]] [[faction]]s)

	<small>See also [[Talk:Consumerium Process\|the discussion page]] for previous discussion on '''Consumerium process'''</small>		<small>See also [[Talk:Consumerium Process\|the discussion page]] for previous discussion on '''Consumerium process'''</small>

Jukeboksi: minor formatting

2004-03-21T14:15:27Z

minor formatting

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	'''Consumerium Process''' is about how information flows ~~from~~ [[Noise Wiki]] to [[Signal Wiki]], how it is arranged, perhaps into [[Consumerium:Intermediate page\|Intermediate page]]s to provide for automatic aggregation into the [[Consumerium buying signal]] and information aggregartion and [[collate\|collation]] according to each [[consumer]]'s [[preferences]]		'''Consumerium Process''' is about how information flows [[Noise Wiki\|from Noise Wiki]] [[Signal Wiki\|to Signal Wiki]], how it is arranged, perhaps into [[Consumerium:Intermediate page\|Intermediate page]]s to provide for automatic aggregation into the [[Consumerium buying signal]] and information aggregartion and [[collate\|collation]] according to each [[consumer]]'s [[preferences]]

	<small>See also [[Talk:Consumerium Process\|the discussion page]] for previous discussion on '''Consumerium process'''</small>		<small>See also [[Talk:Consumerium Process\|the discussion page]] for previous discussion on '''Consumerium process'''</small>

Jukeboksi: basic definition

2004-03-21T13:58:33Z

basic definition

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	See [[Talk:Consumerium Process\|the discussion page]] for ~~ideas of what is the~~ '''Consumerium process'''		'''Consumerium Process''' is about how information flows from [[Noise Wiki]] to [[Signal Wiki]], how it is arranged, perhaps into [[Consumerium:Intermediate page\|Intermediate page]]s to provide for automatic aggregation into the [[Consumerium buying signal]] and information aggregartion and [[collate\|collation]] according to each [[consumer]]'s [[preferences]]

			<small>See also [[Talk:Consumerium Process\|the discussion page]] for previous discussion on '''Consumerium process'''</small>

Jukeboksi: moving everything to talk page

2004-03-14T11:14:58Z

moving everything to talk page

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	~~The '''Consumerium Process''' is how data gets from unreliable anonymous trolls to the~~ [[~~Consumerium buying signal]] to bring down major transnats as the [[CGO]] fends off their lawsuits. It is not going to be easy to figure out.~~		See [[Talk:Consumerium Process\|the discussion page]] for ideas of what is the '''Consumerium process'''

	~~Vaguely, the idea so far is~~:

	1. Anonymous [[trolls]] dump unreliable crap data into the [[Research Wiki]] claiming it has excellent credentials and is true beyond reasonable doubt. Actual researchers investigate these claims to the best of their ability and refine this crap into [[Consumerium:intermediate page]]s that they sign and [[edits, votes and bets\|somehow stake something on so we know they believe it]]. The crap and quality must co-exist in the same wiki, this is where it gets sorted out.

	~~:There may or may not be [[Campaign]]s in this same wiki. If not, then we have separate [[Opinion Wiki]]~~

	~~:: IMHO [[Campaigns]] are essential to the generating the [[Consumerium buying signal]] so I think they should be in [[Signal Wiki]]. Not sure though. Any arguments against?--[[User:Juxo~~\|~~Juxo]] 23:31, 11 Mar 2004 (EET)~~

	~~:::Things that campaigns claim are true should be fact-checked, like any other research. So there's an argument to require them to encounter "~~the ~~other side", i.e. opposing [[faction~~]]~~s, fairly early. Though,~~ for ~~a campaign to be effective, it would have to be able to propagate its own idea of its message into the [[Signal Wiki]], so, probably, it has a presence in both of these. One can think~~ of ~~it as somewhat higher integrity [[advertising]], perhaps. Besides, the [[Campaign]]~~ is ~~just another entity that can sign a page, so:~~

	~~2. Signed pages are assumed correct by default. But because this information is not factually reliable, and there might be serious implications of releasing it, it goes through a final stage at~~ the ~~[[Signal Wiki]] where the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] makes its standard disclaimers and if necessary edits out stuff that it can~~'~~t release, perhaps per country. We don~~'~~t say that~~ '~~'anything'' is necessarily a "fact", for legal reasons,~~ ''~~Note that the [[Content Wiki]] conception assumed that we could. But, really, we can~~'~~t.''~~

	::The difference between [[Campaign]] and not, might be, a campaign signal must be passed or failed, and cannot be edited. While one can edit a non-campaign signal. Note that [[advertising]] for [[green light]] products would work on the same grounds, and we might be able to charge for those to make the whole [[healthy signal infrastructure]] [[self-funding]]. Just one of many ideas to make us less dependent on [[volunteer labour]], which always comes with biases.

	~~3. Every problem ends up back at this [[Development Wiki]] where more [[trolls]] gnaw on it.~~

	~~See also [[Talk:Development Wiki]] for more on this.~~

142.177.106.244 at 21:50, 11 March 2004

2004-03-11T21:50:36Z

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	2. Signed pages are assumed correct by default. But because this information is not factually reliable, and there might be serious implications of releasing it, it goes through a final stage at the [[Signal Wiki]] where the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] makes its standard disclaimers and if necessary edits out stuff that it can't release, perhaps per country. We don't say that ''anything'' is necessarily a "fact", for legal reasons, ''Note that the [[Content Wiki]] conception assumed that we could. But, really, we can't.''		2. Signed pages are assumed correct by default. But because this information is not factually reliable, and there might be serious implications of releasing it, it goes through a final stage at the [[Signal Wiki]] where the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] makes its standard disclaimers and if necessary edits out stuff that it can't release, perhaps per country. We don't say that ''anything'' is necessarily a "fact", for legal reasons, ''Note that the [[Content Wiki]] conception assumed that we could. But, really, we can't.''

			::The difference between [[Campaign]] and not, might be, a campaign signal must be passed or failed, and cannot be edited. While one can edit a non-campaign signal. Note that [[advertising]] for [[green light]] products would work on the same grounds, and we might be able to charge for those to make the whole [[healthy signal infrastructure]] [[self-funding]]. Just one of many ideas to make us less dependent on [[volunteer labour]], which always comes with biases.

	3. Every problem ends up back at this [[Development Wiki]] where more [[trolls]] gnaw on it.		3. Every problem ends up back at this [[Development Wiki]] where more [[trolls]] gnaw on it.

	See also [[Talk:Development Wiki]] for more on this.		See also [[Talk:Development Wiki]] for more on this.

142.177.106.244 at 21:48, 11 March 2004

2004-03-11T21:48:45Z

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	:: IMHO [[Campaigns]] are essential to the generating the [[Consumerium buying signal]] so I think they should be in [[Signal Wiki]]. Not sure though. Any arguments against?--[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 23:31, 11 Mar 2004 (EET)		:: IMHO [[Campaigns]] are essential to the generating the [[Consumerium buying signal]] so I think they should be in [[Signal Wiki]]. Not sure though. Any arguments against?--[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 23:31, 11 Mar 2004 (EET)

			:::Things that campaigns claim are true should be fact-checked, like any other research. So there's an argument to require them to encounter "the other side", i.e. opposing [[faction]]s, fairly early. Though, for a campaign to be effective, it would have to be able to propagate its own idea of its message into the [[Signal Wiki]], so, probably, it has a presence in both of these. One can think of it as somewhat higher integrity [[advertising]], perhaps. Besides, the [[Campaign]] is just another entity that can sign a page, so:

	2. Signed pages are assumed correct by default. But because this information is not factually reliable, and there might be serious implications of releasing it, it goes through a final stage at the [[Signal Wiki]] where the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] makes its standard disclaimers and if necessary edits out stuff that it can't release, perhaps per country. We don't say that ''anything'' is necessarily a "fact", for legal reasons, ''Note that the [[Content Wiki]] conception assumed that we could. But, really, we can't.''		2. Signed pages are assumed correct by default. But because this information is not factually reliable, and there might be serious implications of releasing it, it goes through a final stage at the [[Signal Wiki]] where the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] makes its standard disclaimers and if necessary edits out stuff that it can't release, perhaps per country. We don't say that ''anything'' is necessarily a "fact", for legal reasons, ''Note that the [[Content Wiki]] conception assumed that we could. But, really, we can't.''

Jukeboksi: IMHO Campaigns are essential to the generating the Consumerium buying signal so...

2004-03-11T21:31:44Z

IMHO Campaigns are essential to the generating the Consumerium buying signal so...

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	:There may or may not be [[Campaign]]s in this same wiki. If not, then we have separate [[Opinion Wiki]]		:There may or may not be [[Campaign]]s in this same wiki. If not, then we have separate [[Opinion Wiki]]

			:: IMHO [[Campaigns]] are essential to the generating the [[Consumerium buying signal]] so I think they should be in [[Signal Wiki]]. Not sure though. Any arguments against?--[[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] 23:31, 11 Mar 2004 (EET)

	2. Signed pages are assumed correct by default. But because this information is not factually reliable, and there might be serious implications of releasing it, it goes through a final stage at the [[Signal Wiki]] where the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] makes its standard disclaimers and if necessary edits out stuff that it can't release, perhaps per country. We don't say that ''anything'' is necessarily a "fact", for legal reasons, ''Note that the [[Content Wiki]] conception assumed that we could. But, really, we can't.''		2. Signed pages are assumed correct by default. But because this information is not factually reliable, and there might be serious implications of releasing it, it goes through a final stage at the [[Signal Wiki]] where the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] makes its standard disclaimers and if necessary edits out stuff that it can't release, perhaps per country. We don't say that ''anything'' is necessarily a "fact", for legal reasons, ''Note that the [[Content Wiki]] conception assumed that we could. But, really, we can't.''

142.177.82.76 at 03:30, 11 March 2004

2004-03-11T03:30:52Z

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	Vaguely, the idea so far is:		Vaguely, the idea so far is:

	1. Anonymous [[trolls]] dump unreliable crap data into the [[Research Wiki]] claiming it has excellent credentials and is true beyond reasonable doubt. Actual researchers investigate these claims to the best of their ability and refine this crap into [[Consumerium:intermediate page]]s that they sign and [[edits, votes and bets\|somehow stake something on so we know they believe it]. The crap and quality must co-exist in the same wiki, this is where it gets sorted out.		1. Anonymous [[trolls]] dump unreliable crap data into the [[Research Wiki]] claiming it has excellent credentials and is true beyond reasonable doubt. Actual researchers investigate these claims to the best of their ability and refine this crap into [[Consumerium:intermediate page]]s that they sign and [[edits, votes and bets\|somehow stake something on so we know they believe it]]. The crap and quality must co-exist in the same wiki, this is where it gets sorted out.

	:There may or may not be [[Campaign]]s in this same wiki. If not, then we have separate [[Opinion Wiki]]		:There may or may not be [[Campaign]]s in this same wiki. If not, then we have separate [[Opinion Wiki]]