Consumerium Governance Organization - Revision history

142.177.108.161 at 23:40, 25 January 2005

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	The '''Consumerium Governance Organization''' is ~~the last step of~~ [[Consumerium governance]]. ~~It should try~~ to ~~get as close as it~~ can to create a totally [[Transparent Consumerium]] based on a [[object use protocol]] applied to real objects. This would make it easy to use infrastructure that you didn't own, as long as the network retained [[infrastructure owners trust]] and was running... so a user could pick up at [[point of purchase]] the device required to [[swipe the barcode]], and it would not necessarily be "his" or belong to the "store":		The '''Consumerium Governance Organization''' is a formal entity to do [[Consumerium governance]]. Ultimately it has only three responsibilities:
			#[[Publish:governance]] for a reliable [[Consumerium buying signal]] and low [[liability]]
			#[[Research:governance]] to ensure all [[faction]]s and [[individual buying criteria]] are fully represented
			#[[institutional buying criteria]] for a [[healthy signal infrastructure]] - not just [[Consumerium Services]] - to regulate the [[Consumerium Service Mark]] - ''see below''

			The [[Develop Wiki]] can more or less operate on its own with a [[Lowest Troll]] in charge, no need for any more structure than that, at least according to the [[trolls]].

			== ultimate transparency ==

			When these are perfected, they create a totally [[Transparent Consumerium]] based on a [[object use protocol]] applied to real objects. This would make it easy to use infrastructure that you didn't own, as long as the network retained [[infrastructure owners trust]] and was running... so a user could pick up at [[point of purchase]] the device required to [[swipe the barcode]], and it would not necessarily be "his" or belong to the "store":

	It might for instance come out of a [[vending machine]] and be returned to it. The potential of it not being returned, requires an organization to insure it.		It might for instance come out of a [[vending machine]] and be returned to it. The potential of it not being returned, requires an organization to insure it.
	The potential of it not performing, requires an organization to pull licenses from those who vend the junk. What licenses? [[Patent]], [[trademark]] and [[copyright]]s that vendors need in order to get anyone to use that junk. So:		The potential of it not performing, requires an organization to pull licenses from those who vend the junk. What licenses? [[Patent]], [[trademark]] and [[copyright]]s that vendors need in order to get anyone to use that junk. So:

			== ultimately, only sets standards ==

	Rather than own or sell junk or even set standards for those who own or sell junk, e.g. set [[hardware requirements]], the '''CGO''' only exists to ensure that no matter whose vending machine you got no matter whose hardware from, or what junk shop you bought your device to [[swipe the barcode]] in, if it has a [[Consumerium Service Mark]], it actually gets you the fairly-gathered data - no substitutions. You can imagine the chaos if the network was subverted. We can't stop parallel networks, although we can try with [[patent]] methods and constantly reintegrated improvements, eventually, they will exist. When they do, it is only trademarks and copyrights on the fairly-gathered data that will hold back the [[bad copy problem]], and a tide of cheap and biased imitations.		Rather than own or sell junk or even set standards for those who own or sell junk, e.g. set [[hardware requirements]], the '''CGO''' only exists to ensure that no matter whose vending machine you got no matter whose hardware from, or what junk shop you bought your device to [[swipe the barcode]] in, if it has a [[Consumerium Service Mark]], it actually gets you the fairly-gathered data - no substitutions. You can imagine the chaos if the network was subverted. We can't stop parallel networks, although we can try with [[patent]] methods and constantly reintegrated improvements, eventually, they will exist. When they do, it is only trademarks and copyrights on the fairly-gathered data that will hold back the [[bad copy problem]], and a tide of cheap and biased imitations.

			== will ultimately fail ==

	This is inevitable. But it's also inevitable that our own CGO be corrupted.		This is inevitable. But it's also inevitable that our own CGO be corrupted.

	There is no such thing as an organization or institution that doesn't fail. Nor is there any such thing as a technology that doesn't require some sort of organizational supervision. Even [[GNU]] has to update its licenses when new legal problems are discovered. The [[IETF]] has to update technical standards.		There is no such thing as an organization or institution that doesn't fail. Nor is there any such thing as a technology that doesn't require some sort of organizational supervision. Even [[GNU]] has to update its licenses when new legal problems are discovered. The [[IETF]] has to update technical standards.

			== holds itself open to competition ==

	Structurally, the '''CGO''' might resemble these, more so than the [[W3]] or [[X/Open]], but more like W3 or X/Open, it may need for instance to hold some [[patent]] or [[trademark]] rights to function, and ensure improvements that the [[Consumerium community]] comes up with, continue to "belong" to [[Consumerium:Itself]] and can be leveraged to keep competing networks from developing. This does NOT however mean keeping competitors from taking over THIS network. That must be possible, indeed, encouraged. This is the only way to make a standard work and spread and be trusted. It must be open competition to implement and manage it better. This means constantly obsoleting its own organization, and looking for ways to subvert itself.		Structurally, the '''CGO''' might resemble these, more so than the [[W3]] or [[X/Open]], but more like W3 or X/Open, it may need for instance to hold some [[patent]] or [[trademark]] rights to function, and ensure improvements that the [[Consumerium community]] comes up with, continue to "belong" to [[Consumerium:Itself]] and can be leveraged to keep competing networks from developing. This does NOT however mean keeping competitors from taking over THIS network. That must be possible, indeed, encouraged. This is the only way to make a standard work and spread and be trusted. It must be open competition to implement and manage it better. This means constantly obsoleting its own organization, and looking for ways to subvert itself.

			== when unity and groupthink make it useless ==

	When '''CGO''' fails and falls victim to [[groupthink]], as all institutions and organizations do, it should be easy for another organization to take the next steps. Effectively the only role of the CGO is to retain [[infrastructure owners trust]] for long enough to make it impossible to contain the network. After which point, new [[server box]]es can so easily be deployed, that, it doesn't matter, and, anyone can make the service function.		When '''CGO''' fails and falls victim to [[groupthink]], as all institutions and organizations do, it should be easy for another organization to take the next steps. Effectively the only role of the CGO is to retain [[infrastructure owners trust]] for long enough to make it impossible to contain the network. After which point, new [[server box]]es can so easily be deployed, that, it doesn't matter, and, anyone can make the service function.

			== two party system ==

	An interim step towards this would be a [[two party system]] where the [[Consumerium community]] itself chooses the [[Consumerium board]], using an [[adversarial process]]. So politically, the CGO looks like a government in a multi-party democracy. Just like the United States Government, it includes the various founding figures in a competing architecture of running for the offices under a common [[Consumerium Constitution]] that prevents interference with any more [[Transparent Consumerium]]. No matter who actually comes to "invent" it.		An interim step towards this would be a [[two party system]] where the [[Consumerium community]] itself chooses the [[Consumerium board]], using an [[adversarial process]]. So politically, the CGO looks like a government in a multi-party democracy. Just like the United States Government, it includes the various founding figures in a competing architecture of running for the offices under a common [[Consumerium Constitution]] that prevents interference with any more [[Transparent Consumerium]]. No matter who actually comes to "invent" it.

142.177.7.86 at 01:53, 27 October 2003

2003-10-27T01:53:15Z

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	The '''Consumerium Governance Organization''' is the last step of [[Consumerium governance]]. It should try to get as close as it can to create a totally [[Transparent Consumerium]] based on a [[object use protocol]] applied to real objects. This would make it easy to use infrastructure that you didn't own, as long as the network retained [[infrastructure owners trust]] and was running... so a user could pick up at [[point of purchase]] the device required to [[swipe the barcode]], and it would not necessarily be "his" or belong to the "store"~~. It might for instance come out of a [[vending machine]] and be returned to it. The potential of it not being returned, requires an organization to insure it.~~		The '''Consumerium Governance Organization''' is the last step of [[Consumerium governance]]. It should try to get as close as it can to create a totally [[Transparent Consumerium]] based on a [[object use protocol]] applied to real objects. This would make it easy to use infrastructure that you didn't own, as long as the network retained [[infrastructure owners trust]] and was running... so a user could pick up at [[point of purchase]] the device required to [[swipe the barcode]], and it would not necessarily be "his" or belong to the "store":

			It might for instance come out of a [[vending machine]] and be returned to it. The potential of it not being returned, requires an organization to insure it.
			The potential of it not performing, requires an organization to pull licenses from those who vend the junk. What licenses? [[Patent]], [[trademark]] and [[copyright]]s that vendors need in order to get anyone to use that junk. So:

			Rather than own or sell junk or even set standards for those who own or sell junk, e.g. set [[hardware requirements]], the '''CGO''' only exists to ensure that no matter whose vending machine you got no matter whose hardware from, or what junk shop you bought your device to [[swipe the barcode]] in, if it has a [[Consumerium Service Mark]], it actually gets you the fairly-gathered data - no substitutions. You can imagine the chaos if the network was subverted. We can't stop parallel networks, although we can try with [[patent]] methods and constantly reintegrated improvements, eventually, they will exist. When they do, it is only trademarks and copyrights on the fairly-gathered data that will hold back the [[bad copy problem]], and a tide of cheap and biased imitations.

			This is inevitable. But it's also inevitable that our own CGO be corrupted.
	There is no such thing as an organization or institution that doesn't fail. Nor is there any such thing as a technology that doesn't require some sort of organizational supervision. Even [[GNU]] has to update its licenses when new legal problems are discovered. The [[IETF]] has to update technical standards.		There is no such thing as an organization or institution that doesn't fail. Nor is there any such thing as a technology that doesn't require some sort of organizational supervision. Even [[GNU]] has to update its licenses when new legal problems are discovered. The [[IETF]] has to update technical standards.
	Structurally, the '''CGO''' might resemble these, more so than the [[W3]] or [[X/Open]], but more like W3 or X/Open, it may need for instance to hold some [[patent]] or [[trademark]] rights to function, and ensure improvements that the [[Consumerium community]] comes up with, continue to "belong" to [[Consumerium:Itself]] and can be leveraged to keep competing networks from developing. This does NOT however mean keeping competitors from taking over THIS network. That must be possible, indeed, encouraged. This is the only way to make a standard work and spread and be trusted. It must be open competition to implement and manage it better. This means constantly obsoleting its own organization, and looking for ways to subvert itself.		Structurally, the '''CGO''' might resemble these, more so than the [[W3]] or [[X/Open]], but more like W3 or X/Open, it may need for instance to hold some [[patent]] or [[trademark]] rights to function, and ensure improvements that the [[Consumerium community]] comes up with, continue to "belong" to [[Consumerium:Itself]] and can be leveraged to keep competing networks from developing. This does NOT however mean keeping competitors from taking over THIS network. That must be possible, indeed, encouraged. This is the only way to make a standard work and spread and be trusted. It must be open competition to implement and manage it better. This means constantly obsoleting its own organization, and looking for ways to subvert itself.

142.177.7.86 at 01:43, 27 October 2003

2003-10-27T01:43:32Z

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	The '''Consumerium Governance Organization''' should try to get as close as it can to a totally [[Transparent Consumerium]]. When it fails and falls victim to [[groupthink]], as all institutions and organizations do, it should be easy for another organization to take the next steps. Effectively the only role of the CGO is to retain [[infrastructure owners trust]] for long enough to make it impossible to contain the network. After which point, new [[server box]]es can so easily be deployed, that, it doesn't matter, and, anyone can make the service function. ~~Structurally~~, the ~~'''~~CGO~~''' should resemble~~ the [[~~IETF~~]].		The '''Consumerium Governance Organization''' is the last step of [[Consumerium governance]]. It should try to get as close as it can to create a totally [[Transparent Consumerium]] based on a [[object use protocol]] applied to real objects. This would make it easy to use infrastructure that you didn't own, as long as the network retained [[infrastructure owners trust]] and was running... so a user could pick up at [[point of purchase]] the device required to [[swipe the barcode]], and it would not necessarily be "his" or belong to the "store". It might for instance come out of a [[vending machine]] and be returned to it. The potential of it not being returned, requires an organization to insure it.

			There is no such thing as an organization or institution that doesn't fail. Nor is there any such thing as a technology that doesn't require some sort of organizational supervision. Even [[GNU]] has to update its licenses when new legal problems are discovered. The [[IETF]] has to update technical standards.
			Structurally, the '''CGO''' might resemble these, more so than the [[W3]] or [[X/Open]], but more like W3 or X/Open, it may need for instance to hold some [[patent]] or [[trademark]] rights to function, and ensure improvements that the [[Consumerium community]] comes up with, continue to "belong" to [[Consumerium:Itself]] and can be leveraged to keep competing networks from developing. This does NOT however mean keeping competitors from taking over THIS network. That must be possible, indeed, encouraged. This is the only way to make a standard work and spread and be trusted. It must be open competition to implement and manage it better. This means constantly obsoleting its own organization, and looking for ways to subvert itself.

			When '''CGO''' fails and falls victim to [[groupthink]], as all institutions and organizations do, it should be easy for another organization to take the next steps. Effectively the only role of the CGO is to retain [[infrastructure owners trust]] for long enough to make it impossible to contain the network. After which point, new [[server box]]es can so easily be deployed, that, it doesn't matter, and, anyone can make the service function.

			An interim step towards this would be a [[two party system]] where the [[Consumerium community]] itself chooses the [[Consumerium board]], using an [[adversarial process]]. So politically, the CGO looks like a government in a multi-party democracy. Just like the United States Government, it includes the various founding figures in a competing architecture of running for the offices under a common [[Consumerium Constitution]] that prevents interference with any more [[Transparent Consumerium]]. No matter who actually comes to "invent" it.

142.177.7.86 at 01:30, 27 October 2003

2003-10-27T01:30:08Z

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		The '''Consumerium Governance Organization''' should try to get as close as it can to a totally [[Transparent Consumerium]]. When it fails and falls victim to [[groupthink]], as all institutions and organizations do, it should be easy for another organization to take the next steps. Effectively the only role of the CGO is to retain [[infrastructure owners trust]] for long enough to make it impossible to contain the network. After which point, new [[server box]]es can so easily be deployed, that, it doesn't matter, and, anyone can make the service function. Structurally, the '''CGO''' should resemble the [[IETF]].

Jukeboksi: moving everything to talk

2003-07-02T00:27:45Z

moving everything to talk

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	~~Should this all be in [[Talk:]] ?~~

	~~Does consumerium need a governance organization?~~
	~~:yes it does. I will transfer all copyrights to an democratic association as soon as there is an organisation I can trust (ie. Run by people I know) Sorry for being paranoid.~~

	~~::Democracy does not solve all problems. "Run by" should be defined. Paranoia is fine. You only get to do this once.~~

	~~Is such a thing valid at all?~~
	~~:Yes it is. This will not endure long if this is just run by the supreme gardener Juxo~~
	~~::Why not become [[Lowest Troll]]? It is that troll who decides what roots to chew on, thus affecting the funny garden as it appears in the sun.~~

	~~Does it exist to pursuade readers?~~
	~~:I don't understand the question.~~
	~~::[[Consumerium]] is [[persuasion technology]].~~

	~~hold~~
	~~Who is the copyright holder of record?~~
	~~etc.~~
	:check whois://whois.gandi.net and you will see that [[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] holds all the copyrights for now, but I will be glad to give them up to some democratically run organisation.... of course one must consider that I'm paranoid about the organisation holding the rights ;)


	:Legitimate, however, what that whois says is irrelevant. The notices at the bottom of this page say that "all contributions to Consumerium Wiki are considered to be released under the GNU Free Documentation License" WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE ALSO RELEASED UNDER SOME OTHER COPYRIGHT WE AGREE ON. So there is a potential for forking at some future time when the CGO has been defined. If we assume some accept, some reject, the CGO, that must be a well-planned event, else people will [[fork off]] randomly.

142.177.82.142 at 17:45, 1 July 2003

2003-07-01T17:45:20Z

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			Should this all be in [[Talk:]] ?

	Does consumerium need a governance organization?		Does consumerium need a governance organization?
	:yes it does. I will transfer all copyrights to an democratic association as soon as there is an organisation I can trust (ie. Run by people I know) Sorry for being paranoid.		:yes it does. I will transfer all copyrights to an democratic association as soon as there is an organisation I can trust (ie. Run by people I know) Sorry for being paranoid.

			::Democracy does not solve all problems. "Run by" should be defined. Paranoia is fine. You only get to do this once.

	Is such a thing valid at all?		Is such a thing valid at all?
	:Yes it is. This will not endure long if this is just run by the supreme gardener Juxo		:Yes it is. This will not endure long if this is just run by the supreme gardener Juxo
			::Why not become [[Lowest Troll]]? It is that troll who decides what roots to chew on, thus affecting the funny garden as it appears in the sun.

	Does it exist to pursuade readers?		Does it exist to pursuade readers?
	:I don't understand the question.		:I don't understand the question.
			::[[Consumerium]] is [[persuasion technology]].

	hold		hold
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	etc.		etc.
	:check whois://whois.gandi.net and you will see that [[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] holds all the copyrights for now, but I will be glad to give them up to some democratically run organisation.... of course one must consider that I'm paranoid about the organisation holding the rights ;)		:check whois://whois.gandi.net and you will see that [[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] holds all the copyrights for now, but I will be glad to give them up to some democratically run organisation.... of course one must consider that I'm paranoid about the organisation holding the rights ;)


			:Legitimate, however, what that whois says is irrelevant. The notices at the bottom of this page say that "all contributions to Consumerium Wiki are considered to be released under the GNU Free Documentation License" WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE ALSO RELEASED UNDER SOME OTHER COPYRIGHT WE AGREE ON. So there is a potential for forking at some future time when the CGO has been defined. If we assume some accept, some reject, the CGO, that must be a well-planned event, else people will [[fork off]] randomly.

Jukeboksi: Anwser

2003-06-30T21:53:37Z

Anwser

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	Does consumerium need a governance organization?		Does consumerium need a governance organization?
			:yes it does. I will transfer all copyrights to an democratic association as soon as there is an organisation I can trust (ie. Run by people I know) Sorry for being paranoid.
	~~Does~~ it ~~have one already?~~ (e.~~g.: what are the sysops functions? etc~~.)

	Is such a thing valid at all?		Is such a thing valid at all?
			:Yes it is. This will not endure long if this is just run by the supreme gardener Juxo

	Does it exist to pursuade readers?		Does it exist to pursuade readers?
			:I don't understand the question.

			hold
	Who is the copyright holder of record?		Who is the copyright holder of record?
	etc.		etc.
			:check whois://whois.gandi.net and you will see that [[User:Juxo\|Juxo]] holds all the copyrights for now, but I will be glad to give them up to some democratically run organisation.... of course one must consider that I'm paranoid about the organisation holding the rights ;)

66.163.19.92 at 04:33, 30 June 2003

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	Does it exist to pursuade readers?		Does it exist to pursuade readers?

			Who is the copyright holder of record?
	etc.		etc.

66.163.19.92: stub; open question forum

2003-06-30T01:19:04Z

stub; open question forum

New page

Does consumerium need a governance organization?

Does it have one already? (e.g.: what are the sysops functions? etc.)

Is such a thing valid at all?

Does it exist to pursuade readers?

etc.