Consumerium:Contributor - Revision history

142.177.112.180 at 21:51, 18 February 2004

2004-02-18T21:51:53Z

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	There are strong reasons to prefer recruiting those who are considered, or who act as, [[trolls]] in other internet forums ([[Meatball Wiki]], [[Meta-Wikipedia]] and [[Wikipedia]] itself). Often, the people labelled troll are the most disciplined and high-integrity contributors, and those who call them that are the stupidest. This is not a tautology, quite, although trolls revel in saying it is. An illustrative case is that of Bill Palmer, who wrote in mid-1999 of an exchange where [[trollishness]] was perhaps mutually observed:		There are strong reasons to prefer recruiting those who are considered, or who act as, [[trolls]] in other internet forums ([[Meatball Wiki]], [[Meta-Wikipedia]] and [[Wikipedia]] itself). Often, the people labelled troll are the most disciplined and high-integrity contributors, and those who call them that are the stupidest. This is not a tautology, quite, although trolls revel in saying it is. An illustrative case is that of Bill Palmer, who wrote in mid-1999 of an exchange where [[trollishness]] was perhaps mutually observed:

	:"Instead of troubling himself with attempting		:"Instead of troubling himself with attempting a reasoned refutation of my assertions, he posted some peevish remarks directed at me as a person rather than at the many ideas in my article.
	a reasoned refutation of my assertions, he posted
	some peevish remarks directed at me as a person
	rather than at the many ideas in my article.

	:In the course of his unfriendly comments, he said		:In the course of his unfriendly comments, he said something that made it clear he was accusing me of being a troll. In fact, he actually used the term "troll" as he did this.
	something that made it clear he was accusing me of
	being a troll. In fact, he actually used the term
	"troll" as he did this.

	:That's right. Me, Bill Palmer, "a troll"!		:That's right. Me, Bill Palmer, "a troll"!

	:The person who has posted over 6,000 articles,		:The person who has posted over 6,000 articles, most by far to generally appropriate newsgroup forums and has done so proudly under his own name every time.
	most by far to generally appropriate newsgroup
	forums and has done so proudly under his own name
	every time.

	:The net writer who has generated follow-up from many		:The net writer who has generated follow-up from many thousands of DIFFERENT readers and who has written a significant percentage of the best known original Usenet articles of the past few years.
	thousands of DIFFERENT readers and who has written a
	significant percentage of the best known original Usenet
	articles of the past few years.

	:The proud owner of "Dejamountain", the only personal		:The proud owner of "Dejamountain", the only personal archive famous by its own name.
	archive famous by its own name.

	:My critic's style of unjust name-calling bothers me		:My critic's style of unjust name-calling bothers me because it smacks of witch hunting, certainly so when we throw all reason out the window and start applying vague criteria defining "trolls" and "trolling" to suit our own whims by unfairly branding someone who rubs our nose out joint with his or her controversial (but on-topic) articles.
	because it smacks of witch hunting, certainly so when
	we throw all reason out the window and start applying
	vague criteria defining "trolls" and "trolling" to
	suit our own whims by unfairly branding someone who
	rubs our nose out joint with his or her controversial
	(but on-topic) articles.

	:Further, a few months back when I posted another		:Further, a few months back when I posted another original article in a different newsgroup someone did in fact call me a troll then too. I thought at the time that the epithet was incredibly unreasonable and I still think that."
	original article in a different newsgroup someone
	did in fact call me a troll then too. I thought
	at the time that the epithet was incredibly
	unreasonable and I still think that."

	- http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/_/to_catch_a_troll.txt		- http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/_/to_catch_a_troll.txt

	In order to avoid such debates, it would be ideal to simply call every '''Contributor''' a "[[troll]]" as a condition of editing. That is, if you are not willing to cheerfully embrace the label and role of the troll, you should not edit here! That would be an appropriate attitude filter and would remove much [[psychiatry]] in advance.		In order to avoid such debates, it would be ideal to simply call every '''Contributor''' a "[[troll]]" as a condition of editing. That is, if you are not willing to cheerfully embrace the label and role of the troll, you should not edit here! That would be an appropriate attitude filter and would remove much [[psychiatry]] in advance.

142.177.112.180 at 21:50, 18 February 2004

2004-02-18T21:50:37Z

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	The reason for this definition is to put Contributors on a higher plane than ordinary end users in the [[Consumerium License]], and make them count for more in a [[consensus]] than someone who just walks in off the street and may be a [[mole]].		The reason for this definition is to put Contributors on a higher plane than ordinary end users in the [[Consumerium License]], and make them count for more in a [[consensus]] than someone who just walks in off the street and may be a [[mole]].

			There are strong reasons to prefer recruiting those who are considered, or who act as, [[trolls]] in other internet forums ([[Meatball Wiki]], [[Meta-Wikipedia]] and [[Wikipedia]] itself). Often, the people labelled troll are the most disciplined and high-integrity contributors, and those who call them that are the stupidest. This is not a tautology, quite, although trolls revel in saying it is. An illustrative case is that of Bill Palmer, who wrote in mid-1999 of an exchange where [[trollishness]] was perhaps mutually observed:

			:"Instead of troubling himself with attempting
			a reasoned refutation of my assertions, he posted
			some peevish remarks directed at me as a person
			rather than at the many ideas in my article.

			:In the course of his unfriendly comments, he said
			something that made it clear he was accusing me of
			being a troll. In fact, he actually used the term
			"troll" as he did this.

			:That's right. Me, Bill Palmer, "a troll"!

			:The person who has posted over 6,000 articles,
			most by far to generally appropriate newsgroup
			forums and has done so proudly under his own name
			every time.

			:The net writer who has generated follow-up from many
			thousands of DIFFERENT readers and who has written a
			significant percentage of the best known original Usenet
			articles of the past few years.

			:The proud owner of "Dejamountain", the only personal
			archive famous by its own name.

			:My critic's style of unjust name-calling bothers me
			because it smacks of witch hunting, certainly so when
			we throw all reason out the window and start applying
			vague criteria defining "trolls" and "trolling" to
			suit our own whims by unfairly branding someone who
			rubs our nose out joint with his or her controversial
			(but on-topic) articles.

			:Further, a few months back when I posted another
			original article in a different newsgroup someone
			did in fact call me a troll then too. I thought
			at the time that the epithet was incredibly
			unreasonable and I still think that."

			- http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/_/to_catch_a_troll.txt

			In order to avoid such debates, it would be ideal to simply call every '''Contributor''' a "[[troll]]" as a condition of editing. That is, if you are not willing to cheerfully embrace the label and role of the troll, you should not edit here! That would be an appropriate attitude filter and would remove much [[psychiatry]] in advance.

142.177.82.78 at 09:38, 24 November 2003

2003-11-24T09:38:52Z

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A '''Consumerium Contributor''' is any [[troll]] or member of the [[Consumerium social club]] (to be [[troll-friendly]], assume that trolls are members of nothing) who is not in the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] or in any way providing [[Central Services]] or other [[Consumerium maintenance]], and not just ordinary [[Consumerium end users]].

The term '''Contributor''' thus includes [[Consumerium developers]], active[[Consumerium end users]] like [[beta tester]]s and [[public relations]] folk, and the [[Consumerium researchers]].

The reason for this definition is to put Contributors on a higher plane than ordinary end users in the [[Consumerium License]], and make them count for more in a [[consensus]] than someone who just walks in off the street and may be a [[mole]].