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Jukeboksi: Category:Ad hominem

2021-04-12T13:40:47Z

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	*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion "rule 6" of the Wikipedia] [[sysop power structure]]		*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion "rule 6" of the Wikipedia] [[sysop power structure]]

			[[Category:Ad hominem]]

Jukeboksi: including the explanation for those not so skilled in Latin

2004-02-22T12:26:49Z

including the explanation for those not so skilled in Latin

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			'''"ad hominem"''' is a Latin phrase used very commonly in English (just like "ad nauseum", and also "i.e." and "e.g." are abbreviations of Latin phrases). It is, effectively, part of English.

			What it means is, in the context of an argument, referring to '''who made the argument, as opposed to the argument's own referents''', in deciding whether to accept or reject it. It is normally considered proof that one has no real argument to offer against what is said, if one must invoke "who wrote it" as an refutation.
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	'''[[Ad hominem]] [[delete]]''' is a more abusive form of [[ad hominem revert]] which makes the text invisible (to all but sysops in [[mediawiki]]), makes it impossible to retrieve [[older versions]] even if the most recent version is found and restored by the author or others, and most importantly, makes the text not part of the [[XML dump]]. What is worse, this does not even show up on the [[watchlist]]s of those who are watching the article! Very bad idea.		'''[[Ad hominem]] [[delete]]''' is a more abusive form of [[ad hominem revert]] which makes the text invisible (to all but sysops in [[mediawiki]]), makes it impossible to retrieve [[older versions]] even if the most recent version is found and restored by the author or others, and most importantly, makes the text not part of the [[XML dump]]. What is worse, this does not even show up on the [[watchlist]]s of those who are watching the article! Very bad idea.

142.177.108.38: reference

2004-02-01T03:25:45Z

reference

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	The use of [[delete]], like [[block IP]], is a major [[governance]] issue. It tends to make a big difference in how [[troll-friendly]] a wiki is, and how predictable the service is that is provided to its [[end user]]s. For the [[Consumerium buying signal]], this is quite important, and surprise deletes will almost certainly annoy some [[faction]] if some approve of it and some not.		The use of [[delete]], like [[block IP]], is a major [[governance]] issue. It tends to make a big difference in how [[troll-friendly]] a wiki is, and how predictable the service is that is provided to its [[end user]]s. For the [[Consumerium buying signal]], this is quite important, and surprise deletes will almost certainly annoy some [[faction]] if some approve of it and some not.

			=== references ===

			*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion "rule 6" of the Wikipedia] [[sysop power structure]]

142.177.114.228: most sensitive issue

2004-01-07T20:27:17Z

most sensitive issue

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'''[[Ad hominem]] [[delete]]''' is a more abusive form of [[ad hominem revert]] which makes the text invisible (to all but sysops in [[mediawiki]]), makes it impossible to retrieve [[older versions]] even if the most recent version is found and restored by the author or others, and most importantly, makes the text not part of the [[XML dump]]. What is worse, this does not even show up on the [[watchlist]]s of those who are watching the article! Very bad idea.

It is applied with amazing regularity on [[Disinfopedia]] and [[Meta-Wikipedia]] and to some degree at [[Consumerium]] in the R&D phase. It is applied also with regularity at [[Wikipedia]] but only by certain people - who employ it as a deliberate power grab by the [[sysop power structure]] to make it difficult for those who disagree with it, or the [[GodKing]] to communicate even the most [[essential projects|essential concepts]] to the [[end user]]... suggesting very strongly that [[political dispute]]s underlie all such deletes.

Because of the suspicious circumstances and regular abuse of deletes, most [[large public wiki]]s run a [[deletion log]] to record what has been deleted, and a [[pending deletions]] or [[votes for deletion]] page to debate what may be deleted. This is true even on those wikis (like [[Disinfopedia]]) where a small unaccountable clique over-rides such debates and does surprise deletes on heavily-linked articles - so there's clearly some intent to move to some more accountable [[power structure]] long term even if they don't have it just yet.

The use of [[delete]], like [[block IP]], is a major [[governance]] issue. It tends to make a big difference in how [[troll-friendly]] a wiki is, and how predictable the service is that is provided to its [[end user]]s. For the [[Consumerium buying signal]], this is quite important, and surprise deletes will almost certainly annoy some [[faction]] if some approve of it and some not.